[Chapter-delegates] Renewal Internet Society Chapter Charter

Tue Oct 22 06:17:28 PDT 2013

Hi,

The new EU Directive  for data protection promote "privacy by design", 
maybe this concept
could be implemented to solve the problems.
EU has abandoned the "safe harbour" agreement with US
(for mutual provision of privacy-data protection in particular companies or
associations) as this never worked.

Regards,

Borka

Dne 22.10.2013 14:50, piše Dick Kalkman:
> Grigori,
>
> An (real) encrypted Patriot Act free cloud solution with proper
> authorization and neutral hosting locations is maybe a solution for
> European countries. I doubt however that the US government and some
> Middle East and Asian governments are so happy with that.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Dick Kalkman
>
>
> On 22-10-2013 14:32, Grigori Saghyan wrote:
>> Veni,
>> existing situation is more problematic...
>> But if AMS will be located in any cloud system, which has its parts in
>> EU, US, other countries, may be it will be acceptable.
>> Grigori Saghyan
>> ISOC.AM
>>
>> On 22.10.2013 16:05, Veni Markovski wrote:
>>> This is problematic, if you think about EU legislation, aiming
>>> exactly at hosting personal data on US servers...
>>> v.
>>> On 10/22/13 08:01, Grigori Saghyan wrote: Dear All, May be  it is
>>> possible to bypass some of  legal problems  with AMS if each
>>> Chapter will sign an agreement with ISOC HQ for outsourcing
>>> database services for each Chapter. Grigori Saghyan ISOC.AM
>>
>>> On 22.10.2013 15:41, Borka Jerman Blazic wrote:
>>>>>> I am confident too that the officers would like to help.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> First fix the technical issues. This must be easy (enable
>>>>>> editing in AMS, enable automatic renewal, enable reminder
>>>>>> messages ect., make the AMS user friendly).  Make the
>>>>>> funding of chapter  events appropriate regarding the
>>>>>> locations and regarding  the specified Costs supported with
>>>>>> relevant evidences (with some reasonable restrictions). Make
>>>>>> the EU regional Bureau   work with the chapters, the week
>>>>>> clippings are good but this is not what is expected.  Then we
>>>>>> may continue to other more difficult issues.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Borka
>>>>>>
>>>>>> p.s. I am not very sure that all these costly HQ surveys
>>>>>> among the membership provide sufficiently relevant
>>>>>> information. So far no evidence  of their usefulness!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dne 22.10.2013 12:23, piše Veni Markovski:
>>>>>>> If it was easy, we wouldn't be discussing it for so long,
>>>>>>> Carlos :) But then, if it was easy, it won't be fun.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am confident that Joyce and Ted, together with Jacek, and
>>>>>>> others at the HQ would figure out a safe exit (and
>>>>>>> certainly from the reaction to John More's email I see
>>>>>>> that chapters are positively looking towards helping the
>>>>>>> HQ.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> v.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 10/22/13 06:04, info at isoc.org.ec wrote:
>>>>>>>> As I see we have a mix of issues from operational ones to
>>>>>>>> sovereignty in different discussions in the list.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Very complicated situation
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Carlos Vera
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Internet Society Ecuador www.isoc.org.ec Síguenos
>>>>>>>> @isocec
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> El 22/10/2013, a las 3:39, Dick Kalkman
>>>>>>>>> <d.h.kalkman at isoc.nl> escribió:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dear Borka, Klaus and Veni,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In The Netherlands we have much the same problems with
>>>>>>>>> the AMS system. An estimated near thousand member
>>>>>>>>> records are lost and/or corrupted. Maybe more, because
>>>>>>>>> who knows what happened before we recognized the
>>>>>>>>> problems? There are simply no activity logs on
>>>>>>>>> membership database mutations or just basic backups
>>>>>>>>> available to us.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We also have the same problem that all our roll back /
>>>>>>>>>   recovery requests to ISOC HQ only gave lots of tech
>>>>>>>>> talk but until now zero solutions. Even our positive
>>>>>>>>> response to the proposal from ISOC HQ to switch of the
>>>>>>>>> (for us useless) renewal function didn't result in any
>>>>>>>>> action. The only (sad) advantage is that the number of
>>>>>>>>> complains from our members on spamming by ISOC HQ are
>>>>>>>>> declining.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The second main problem is that there is still no
>>>>>>>>> compliance (read compliance certification) to local
>>>>>>>>> law(-s). I'm very concerned with this situation.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I hope that the new task force established to solve
>>>>>>>>> this, soon result in some improvements and we all can
>>>>>>>>> go back to our core activities.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dick Kalkman
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 21-10-2013 7:06, borka at e5.ijs.si wrote: Veni and
>>>>>>>>>> Klaus,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I fully agree with all you have said. Instead on
>>>>>>>>>> mission the HQ is planning how to "discipline" the
>>>>>>>>>> chapters. I fully agree also what Klaus wrote
>>>>>>>>>> regarding the funding and the AMS (clumsy, not
>>>>>>>>>> effective, duplication of the administration etc.) A
>>>>>>>>>> month ago cca 40 members of ISOC SI were deleted
>>>>>>>>>> from AMS, because their renewal was not done on
>>>>>>>>>> time!! When I asked the data to be recovered - the
>>>>>>>>>> answer was that the data have been lost or somewhere
>>> -- Grigori Saghyan PGP Key ID: 0x48E4D5DC
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