[Chapter-delegates] Renewal Internet Society Chapter Charter

[Dick Kalkman]

Grigori,

An (real) encrypted Patriot Act free cloud solution with proper
authorization and neutral hosting locations is maybe a solution for
European countries. I doubt however that the US government and some
Middle East and Asian governments are so happy with that.

Best Regards,

Dick Kalkman


On 22-10-2013 14:32, Grigori Saghyan wrote:
> Veni,
> existing situation is more problematic...
> But if AMS will be located in any cloud system, which has its parts in
> EU, US, other countries, may be it will be acceptable.
> Grigori Saghyan
> ISOC.AM
> 
> On 22.10.2013 16:05, Veni Markovski wrote:
>> This is problematic, if you think about EU legislation, aiming 
>> exactly at hosting personal data on US servers...
> 
>> v.
> 
>> On 10/22/13 08:01, Grigori Saghyan wrote: Dear All, May be  it is 
>> possible to bypass some of  legal problems  with AMS if each 
>> Chapter will sign an agreement with ISOC HQ for outsourcing 
>> database services for each Chapter. Grigori Saghyan ISOC.AM
> 
> 
>> On 22.10.2013 15:41, Borka Jerman Blazic wrote:
>>>>> I am confident too that the officers would like to help.
>>>>>
>>>>> First fix the technical issues. This must be easy (enable 
>>>>> editing in AMS, enable automatic renewal, enable reminder 
>>>>> messages ect., make the AMS user friendly).  Make the
>>>>> funding of chapter  events appropriate regarding the
>>>>> locations and regarding  the specified Costs supported with
>>>>> relevant evidences (with some reasonable restrictions). Make
>>>>> the EU regional Bureau   work with the chapters, the week
>>>>> clippings are good but this is not what is expected.  Then we
>>>>> may continue to other more difficult issues.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Borka
>>>>>
>>>>> p.s. I am not very sure that all these costly HQ surveys 
>>>>> among the membership provide sufficiently relevant 
>>>>> information. So far no evidence  of their usefulness!
>>>>>
>>>>> Dne 22.10.2013 12:23, piše Veni Markovski:
>>>>>> If it was easy, we wouldn't be discussing it for so long, 
>>>>>> Carlos :) But then, if it was easy, it won't be fun.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am confident that Joyce and Ted, together with Jacek, and
>>>>>> others at the HQ would figure out a safe exit (and 
>>>>>> certainly from the reaction to John More's email I see
>>>>>> that chapters are positively looking towards helping the
>>>>>> HQ.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> v.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 10/22/13 06:04, info at isoc.org.ec wrote:
>>>>>>> As I see we have a mix of issues from operational ones to
>>>>>>> sovereignty in different discussions in the list.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Very complicated situation
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Carlos Vera
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Internet Society Ecuador www.isoc.org.ec Síguenos 
>>>>>>> @isocec
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> El 22/10/2013, a las 3:39, Dick Kalkman 
>>>>>>>> <d.h.kalkman at isoc.nl> escribió:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dear Borka, Klaus and Veni,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In The Netherlands we have much the same problems with 
>>>>>>>> the AMS system. An estimated near thousand member 
>>>>>>>> records are lost and/or corrupted. Maybe more, because 
>>>>>>>> who knows what happened before we recognized the 
>>>>>>>> problems? There are simply no activity logs on 
>>>>>>>> membership database mutations or just basic backups 
>>>>>>>> available to us.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We also have the same problem that all our roll back /
>>>>>>>>  recovery requests to ISOC HQ only gave lots of tech 
>>>>>>>> talk but until now zero solutions. Even our positive 
>>>>>>>> response to the proposal from ISOC HQ to switch of the 
>>>>>>>> (for us useless) renewal function didn't result in any 
>>>>>>>> action. The only (sad) advantage is that the number of 
>>>>>>>> complains from our members on spamming by ISOC HQ are 
>>>>>>>> declining.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The second main problem is that there is still no 
>>>>>>>> compliance (read compliance certification) to local 
>>>>>>>> law(-s). I'm very concerned with this situation.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I hope that the new task force established to solve 
>>>>>>>> this, soon result in some improvements and we all can 
>>>>>>>> go back to our core activities.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dick Kalkman
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 21-10-2013 7:06, borka at e5.ijs.si wrote: Veni and 
>>>>>>>>> Klaus,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I fully agree with all you have said. Instead on 
>>>>>>>>> mission the HQ is planning how to "discipline" the 
>>>>>>>>> chapters. I fully agree also what Klaus wrote 
>>>>>>>>> regarding the funding and the AMS (clumsy, not 
>>>>>>>>> effective, duplication of the administration etc.) A 
>>>>>>>>> month ago cca 40 members of ISOC SI were deleted
>>>>>>>>> from AMS, because their renewal was not done on
>>>>>>>>> time!! When I asked the data to be recovered - the
>>>>>>>>> answer was that the data have been lost or somewhere
>>>>>
> 
>> -- Grigori Saghyan PGP Key ID: 0x48E4D5DC
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