[Chapter-delegates] Renewal Internet Society Chapter Charter

[sc.leung at isoc.hk]

Dear Chapter leaders,

I am very busy with work commitments these days to follow through the
various discussions. However, I like to say that HQ and Chapters should
be vital organic parts of the whole ISOC organization. We need good
governance and rules, and most of all good communications between HQ and
Chapters, and among Chapters.

I have seen disputes but we can view it as a challenge that is an
opportunity for our improvement. We cannot impose on each other anything
unless we communicate and agree on terms that is acceptable and
implementable. I support the idea of forming the Advisory Council by
Chapters as part of the governance of ISOC. If you need any input from
Hong Kong Chapter we are very pleased to offer.

Regards,
SC Leung
Chair
ISOC Hong Kong


於 21/10/2013 20:32, John More 提到:
> That will be part of the work of Task Force - to create a calendar.
>
> John
>
> On Oct 21, 2013, at 7:55 AM, "info at isoc.org.ec
> <mailto:info at isoc.org.ec>" <info at isoc.org.ec
> <mailto:info at isoc.org.ec>> wrote:
>
>> Deaf John, this seems to be a good proposal. Is there a date for the
>> creation of the council that we can expect?
>>
>> Carlos Vera
>> Internet Society Ecuador
>> www.isoc.org.ec <http://www.isoc.org.ec/>
>> Síguenos @isocec
>>
>> El 19/10/2013, a las 22:42, John More <morej1 at mac.com
>> <mailto:morej1 at mac.com>> escribió:
>>
>>> I concur.  
>>>
>>> One of the motivations for revising the Bylaws to have a Chapter
>>> Advisory Council was to have a vehicle for peer input on the Chapter
>>> agreement (I think then termed a MOU), such as can be found with
>>> other organizations that have Chapters and set minimum standards.
>>>
>>> It would be best to wait for the creation of the Council before
>>> implementing the Renewal letter. One of the first tasks of the
>>> Council would be to vet the letter and then implement it.
>>>
>>> John More
>>> Greater Washington Dc Chapter
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 19, 2013, at 3:01 PM, CW Mail <mail at christopherwilkinson.eu
>>> <mailto:mail at christopherwilkinson.eu>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> +1CW
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 19 Oct 2013, at 18:36, Christian de Larrinaga
>>>> <cdel at firsthand.net <mailto:cdel at firsthand.net>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I agree. It would be wise for ISOC to now recognise that the
>>>>> formation process of the Chapter Advisory Council should be
>>>>> allowed to happen without the shadow of this letter hanging over
>>>>> the community and withdraw it whilst it gets established.
>>>>>
>>>>> In the interim chapters can think about the future role of
>>>>> individuals in their chapter. Whether they sign up at ISOC as
>>>>> supporters or directly at the chapter. ISOC established its new
>>>>> ByLaws without listening to the warnings that the status and role
>>>>> of individuals at ISOC was being completely removed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sending us all a letter that half imposes some retrospective  one
>>>>> sided obligations on chapters after the event doesn't solve
>>>>> anything. To be brutal it doesn't read as being honest about what
>>>>> ISOC wants to achieve with its chapters.  If ISOC wants chapters
>>>>> to be vehicles for individual engagement in the cleaned up mission
>>>>> focussed new ISOC then let's see a proposal to work together on
>>>>> that idea.
>>>>>
>>>>> best
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Christian
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> <compose-unknown-contact.jpg>
>>>>>> CW Mail <mailto:mail at christopherwilkinson.eu>
>>>>>> 17 October 2013 19:18
>>>>>> Dear Christian:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You make some very strong points, below. Thankyou.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The main lines of these concerns have been evident now for
>>>>>> several years, and I am surprised that ISOC has resurrected the
>>>>>> quasi-contract formula, after many of us had patiently explained
>>>>>> that it would not work in appliccable law.
>>>>>> It would be wise to defer any further discussion on those matters
>>>>>> until the Chapters Advisory Council is in place.
>>>>>> Meanwhile, think: hit, ball, long, grass …
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>
>>>>>> CW
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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