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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Dear Chapter leaders,<br>
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I am very busy with work commitments these days to follow through
the various discussions. However, I like to say that HQ and
Chapters should be vital organic parts of the whole ISOC
organization. We need good governance and rules, and most of all
good communications between HQ and Chapters, and among Chapters.<br>
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I have seen disputes but we can view it as a challenge that is an
opportunity for our improvement. We cannot impose on each other
anything unless we communicate and agree on terms that is
acceptable and implementable. I support the idea of forming the
Advisory Council by Chapters as part of the governance of ISOC. If
you need any input from Hong Kong Chapter we are very pleased to
offer.<br>
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Regards,<br>
SC Leung<br>
Chair<br>
ISOC Hong Kong<br>
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於 21/10/2013 20:32, John More 提到:<br>
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That will be part of the work of Task Force - to create a
calendar.
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<div>On Oct 21, 2013, at 7:55 AM, "<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<div>Deaf John, this seems to be a good proposal. Is there
a date for the creation of the council that we can
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El 19/10/2013, a las 22:42, John More <<a
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I concur.
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<div>One of the motivations for revising the Bylaws to
have a Chapter Advisory Council was to have a vehicle
for peer input on the Chapter agreement (I think then
termed a MOU), such as can be found with other
organizations that have Chapters and set minimum
standards.
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<div>It would be best to wait for the creation of the
Council before implementing the Renewal letter. One
of the first tasks of the Council would be to vet
the letter and then implement it.</div>
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<div>John More</div>
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<div>On Oct 19, 2013, at 3:01 PM, CW Mail <<a
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<div>On 19 Oct 2013, at 18:36, Christian
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agree. It would be wise for ISOC
to now recognise that the
formation process of the Chapter
Advisory Council should be allowed
to happen without the shadow of
this letter hanging over the
community and withdraw it whilst
it gets established.<br>
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In the interim chapters can think
about the future role of
individuals in their chapter.
Whether they sign up at ISOC as
supporters or directly at the
chapter. ISOC established its new
ByLaws without listening to the
warnings that the status and role
of individuals at ISOC was being
completely removed. <br>
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Sending us all a letter that half
imposes some retrospective one
sided obligations on chapters
after the event doesn't solve
anything. To be brutal it doesn't
read as being honest about what
ISOC wants to achieve with its
chapters. If ISOC wants chapters
to be vehicles for individual
engagement in the cleaned up
mission focussed new ISOC then
let's see a proposal to work
together on that idea. <br>
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best<br>
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Christian <br>
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<div>Dear Christian:<br>
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You make some very strong
points, below. Thankyou.<br>
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The main lines of these
concerns have been evident now
for several years, and I am
surprised that ISOC has
resurrected the quasi-contract
formula, after many of us had
patiently explained that it
would not work in appliccable
law.<br>
It would be wise to defer any
further discussion on those
matters until the Chapters
Advisory Council is in place.<br>
Meanwhile, think: hit, ball,
long, grass … <br>
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Regards<br>
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CW<br>
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