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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Dear Chapter leaders,<br>
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      I am very busy with work commitments these days to follow through
      the various discussions. However, I like to say that HQ and
      Chapters should be vital organic parts of the whole ISOC
      organization. We need good governance and rules, and most of all
      good communications between HQ and Chapters, and among Chapters.<br>
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      I have seen disputes but we can view it as a challenge that is an
      opportunity for our improvement. We cannot impose on each other
      anything unless we communicate and agree on terms that is
      acceptable and implementable. I support the idea of forming the
      Advisory Council by Chapters as part of the governance of ISOC. If
      you need any input from Hong Kong Chapter we are very pleased to
      offer.<br>
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      Regards,<br>
      SC Leung<br>
      Chair<br>
      ISOC Hong Kong<br>
      <br>
      <br>
      於 21/10/2013 20:32, John More 提到:<br>
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      That will be part of the work of Task Force - to create a
      calendar.
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      <div>John</div>
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          <div>On Oct 21, 2013, at 7:55 AM, "<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:info@isoc.org.ec">info@isoc.org.ec</a>" <<a
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              <div>Deaf John, this seems to be a good proposal. Is there
                a date for the creation of the council that we can
                expect?</div>
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              <div>Carlos Vera<br>
                <div>Internet Society Ecuador</div>
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                Síguenos @isocec</div>
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                El 19/10/2013, a las 22:42, John More <<a
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                I concur.  
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                <div>One of the motivations for revising the Bylaws to
                  have a Chapter Advisory Council was to have a vehicle
                  for peer input on the Chapter agreement (I think then
                  termed a MOU), such as can be found with other
                  organizations that have Chapters and set minimum
                  standards.
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                  <div>It would be best to wait for the creation of the
                    Council before implementing the Renewal letter. One
                    of the first tasks of the Council would be to vet
                    the letter and then implement it.</div>
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                  <div>John More</div>
                  <div>Greater Washington Dc Chapter</div>
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                      <div>On Oct 19, 2013, at 3:01 PM, CW Mail <<a
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                              <div>On 19 Oct 2013, at 18:36, Christian
                                de Larrinaga <<a
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                                      agree. It would be wise for ISOC
                                      to now recognise that the
                                      formation process of the Chapter
                                      Advisory Council should be allowed
                                      to happen without the shadow of
                                      this letter hanging over the
                                      community and withdraw it whilst
                                      it gets established.<br>
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                                      In the interim chapters can think
                                      about the future role of
                                      individuals in their chapter.
                                      Whether they sign up at ISOC as
                                      supporters or directly at the
                                      chapter. ISOC established its new
                                      ByLaws without listening to the
                                      warnings that the status and role
                                      of individuals at ISOC was being
                                      completely removed. <br>
                                      <br>
                                      Sending us all a letter that half
                                      imposes some retrospective  one
                                      sided obligations on chapters
                                      after the event doesn't solve
                                      anything. To be brutal it doesn't
                                      read as being honest about what
                                      ISOC wants to achieve with its
                                      chapters.  If ISOC wants chapters
                                      to be vehicles for individual
                                      engagement in the cleaned up
                                      mission focussed new ISOC then
                                      let's see a proposal to work
                                      together on that idea. <br>
                                      <br>
                                      best<br>
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                                      Christian <br>
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                                        <div>Dear Christian:<br>
                                          <br>
                                          You make some very strong
                                          points, below. Thankyou.<br>
                                          <br>
                                          The main lines of these
                                          concerns have been evident now
                                          for several years, and I am
                                          surprised that ISOC has
                                          resurrected the quasi-contract
                                          formula, after many of us had
                                          patiently explained that it
                                          would not work in appliccable
                                          law.<br>
                                          It would be wise to defer any
                                          further discussion on those
                                          matters until the Chapters
                                          Advisory Council is in place.<br>
                                          Meanwhile, think: hit, ball,
                                          long, grass … <br>
                                          <br>
                                          Regards<br>
                                          <br>
                                          CW<br>
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