[Chapter-delegates] Trustees! not staff! Re: Announcement about the dissolution of ISOC-KH

Winthrop Yu w.yu at gmx.net
Wed Nov 6 16:35:41 PST 2013 

   +1 Veni

On 11/6/2013 10:27 PM, Veni Markovski wrote:
> I'd call everyone to leave aside or behind the passion. Passion is good - don't
> misunderstand me - but not on that subject.
> I understand well the frustration of the chapters. AND I understand how the BoT
> functions, having served there for two mandates.
> Trust me - we have tried everything in our means to shift the attention to the
> outstanding issues way back - 10 years ago. The very fact we are still
> discussing the same problems, IS a problem.
> But, please, try not to use personal attacks. I've been told several times I
> have done that myself, and I've asked people to pardon my behavior - as
> sometimes even when we have good intentions, we may not express them in the best
> possible way. But I really believe we - chapters, staff, Trustees - should not
> engage in hostility against each other. A) That's not good, B) it is
> counterproductive, and. C) it will take a lot of time to heal the wounds.
>
> Hope that this is helpful -
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, November 6, 2013, Ted Mooney wrote:
>
>     This is the only response I will make to this list on what has been the
>     first personal attack on my character and good faith in my professional
>     career.
>
>     For the record, Alan and I spent a good part of a day in person discussing
>     the ISOC Members in Guateng who were trying to put an event together and
>     looked to Alan for support.  For whatever reason that support never
>     materialized according to these members and they expressed their desire to
>     form their own chapter.  Before I would encourage them I spoke to Alan and
>     asked him directly if he would support a separate chapter since the
>     nurturing and training of the Gauteng members was, in his words, too much
>     work to train and supervise them" for him or presumably the ZA chapter.
>     Alan assured me he was fine with that so long as ISOC ZA maintained
>     leadership within South Africa.  I agreed and only then did I give the
>     go-ahead for the application process for a Gauteng Chapter.  The next time
>     I communicated this to Alan he told me I was out of my mind, that he never
>     said such a thing and that I was out to subvert the ZA chapter.  I was
>     astonished and offered twice to connect directly by voice to overcome this
>     communication breakdown.  He refused and went silent to me.
>
>     With respect to observing the netiquette, I admit to mistakes within my
>     department and others, which I have now corrected internally, including
>     having established rules of email protocol for our lists and for our
>     membership communications.  I thanked Alan for this and for guiding me.
>
>     Regarding Alan's second point, the project he sent me to in Johannesburg,
>     I was highly thankful and encouraged by what I saw and again thanked him.
>     I'm unclear how my 'dishonesty' manifested in this case.
>
>     People of good faith and interest can often have differing views,
>     miscommunications and a falling out.  It is how they react afterward that
>     is the measure of character and leadership.
>
>     To Alan, I reiterate my prior offers to speak directly in order to 1) try
>     to resolve our miscommunication and 2)find a way to assist ISOC ZA in a
>     fashion consistent with your independence and needs. I do not wage war on
>     chapters.  I am a voice and manager within ISOC for the greater support of
>     Chapters.
>
>     Lastly, personal attacks on this list are inconsistent with the spirit and
>     purpose of the Chapter Delegates list, and with the very netiquette I'm
>     accused of ignoring. Regardless whether it is staff or a chapter member,
>     this list is meant for civil, professional discourse. Everyone will
>     benefit from this.
>
>     With special regards,
>
>     Ted
>     Ted Mooney
>     Senior Director, Membership & Services
>     The Internet Society
>     1775 Wiehle Avenue
>     Reston, VA 20190 USA
>     Office: +1 703-439-2774
>     Cell: +1 301-980-6446
>     eMail: mooney at isoc.org <javascript:;>
>
>
>
>
>
>     On 11/6/13 6:37 AM, "Alan Levin" <alan at isoc.org.za <javascript:;>> wrote:
>
>      >Dear Veni,
>      >
>      >On 05 Nov 2013, at 8:49 PM, Veni Markovski <veni at veni.com <javascript:;>>
>     wrote:
>      >> You are right. The staffers are good people. I'd say - amazingly good
>      >>people.
>      >
>      >I am so sorry as in the past I would always have agreed with this
>      >comment. Sadly, after spending more than a calendar day in various
>      >discussions with Ted Mooney in Durban a few months ago, I found him to
>      >have been dishonest with me. I would not state this in such a public
>      >forum unless I was entirely convinced on three bases, 1. regarding ISOC
>      >Gauteng, 2. regarding a visit to ISOC projects in Gauteng that I sent him
>      >to, and 3. regarding a commitment to observing netiquette.
>      >
>      >I have told Ted that cannot trust him and that I believe he is waging a
>      >war against ISOC-ZA yet he persists. Sadly he is in charge of ISOCs
>      >position on all of us :(
>      >
>      >On the other hand I've had a few discussion with the Trustees and I
>      >believe that they are fully aware of the issues and are fully supportive
>      >of the Chapters needs. I expect that with the new CEO we will see
>      >dissolution of the 'bureaus' and additional global policy analysts that
>      >will be available to assist us with policy issues at national or regional
>      >levels.
>      >
>      >Sincerely
>      >
>      >Alan
>      >
>      >
>      >
>      >
>      >
>      >
>      >
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> Veni
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