[Chapter-delegates] Trustees! not staff! Re: Announcement about the dissolution of ISOC-KH

[CW Mail]

Dear Grigori:

Thankyou for these questions. they are very relevant.

1.	Regional Bureaus: 

	The question is not internal ISOC communications. It is our external communications with other Internet communities, particularly governments and regulators.
	There has to be concentrated, coordinated and consensus based policy communication focussed on the relevant actors at each point in time. 
	That will never be achieved through individual Chapters acting on their own through the Internet. 
	The Regional Bureaus are not doing that job at present, but they should, with the political oversight of the Chapters in their Region.

2.	Decentralised staff: 

	(a) 	the published ISOC job description for the Regional Bureaus is already sufficiently broad that it obviously cannot be done by only one or two people operating in large geographical areas.
	(b) 	very few Chapters - that I am aware of - have the resources to act as 'local staff'. That is part of the parallel discussion going on about ISOC administrative support to Chapters.
 		in any event, a relevant level of knowledge and experience is required.
	(c ) 	most global Internet policy issues have a significant national or regional dimension, either in terms of timing, or in terms of domestic conditions including legislation.
		
Grigori:	 This response is expressly generic. In the European context one could be much more specific in terms of the EU institutions and regulators, in terms of the geographical scope and in terms of the domestic dimension of the policy issues. 

Best regards

Christopher


On 06 Nov 2013, at 14:42, Grigori Saghyan <gregor at arminco.com> wrote:

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> Dear Christopher,
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> could you please describe, why we need Regional Bureaus today, when we
> have all necessary tools for communications using the Internet?
> 
> And why  it is necessary to have decentralized staff? Each ISOC
> Chapter is a natural representative of  the Internet  community and
> can act as a local staff.
> 
> With respect
> Grigori Saghyan
> ISOC.AM
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 06.11.2013 16:57, CW Mail wrote:
>> Dear Alan and colleagues:
>> 
>> I hesitate to intervene in this discussion because had my
>> recommendations of three years ago been promptly implemented, we
>> would not be having this critical discussion today.
>> 
>> To be clear, I do not support the dissolution of the Regional
>> Bureaus. My position is that the staff should be decentralised to
>> the Regional Bureaus and that the Regional Bureaus must be
>> politically accountable to the Chapters in their Region.
>> 
>> The second point is of course a pre-condition for the first.
>> 
>> Having been neither a Trustee nor a senior staff member, I abstain
>> from that argument as well. Clearly the Chapters have been
>> under-represented in the Board of Trustees for a considerable
>> period of time, and that might have contributed to a certain lack
>> of understanding, if not sensitivity, to Chapter issues.
>> 
>> Regards to you all
>> 
>> Christopher Wilkinson.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 06 Nov 2013, at 12:37, Alan Levin <alan at isoc.org.za> wrote:
>> 
>>> Dear Veni,
>>> 
>>> On 05 Nov 2013, at 8:49 PM, Veni Markovski <veni at veni.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> You are right. The staffers are good people. I'd say -
>>>> amazingly good people.
>>> 
>>> I am so sorry as in the past I would always have agreed with this
>>> comment. Sadly, after spending more than a calendar day in
>>> various discussions with Ted Mooney in Durban a few months ago, I
>>> found him to have been dishonest with me. I would not state this
>>> in such a public forum unless I was entirely convinced on three
>>> bases, 1. regarding ISOC Gauteng, 2. regarding a visit to ISOC
>>> projects in Gauteng that I sent him to, and 3. regarding a
>>> commitment to observing netiquette.
>>> 
>>> I have told Ted that cannot trust him and that I believe he is
>>> waging a war against ISOC-ZA yet he persists. Sadly he is in
>>> charge of ISOCs position on all of us :(
>>> 
>>> On the other hand I've had a few discussion with the Trustees and
>>> I believe that they are fully aware of the issues and are fully
>>> supportive of the Chapters needs. I expect that with the new CEO
>>> we will see dissolution of the 'bureaus' and additional global
>>> policy analysts that will be available to assist us with policy
>>> issues at national or regional levels.
>>> 
>>> Sincerely
>>> 
>>> Alan
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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