[Chapter-delegates] Our German colleagues on "national Internets"

[Halbersztadt Jozef (jothal)]

There is no contradiction, we need both. We loose if we assume that
one type of action is a kind of universal remedy.

We should have fairly simple and effective means of encryption as
tools fully integrated with the system.

We need a law with an effective institutional oversight of those who
are responsible for national security that didn’t allow to invigilate
without justified reason.

It isn’t true that is impossible to stop mass surveillance. Only
political will is needed.

Jozef Halbersztadt
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'JotHal' jozef [dot] halbersztadt [at] gmail [dot] com
Internet Society Poland http://www.isoc.org.pl

2013/11/4 Marcin Cieslak <saper at saper.info>:
> On Sat, 2 Nov 2013, Gary W Kenward wrote:
>
>> "Selling to people that their data is safe
>> because it is kept inside some borders
>> is wrong - If it is said by governments
>> you can be sure that these governments
>> look into your data more intensely as ever
>> before"
>>
>> I'm not sure what you are proposing
>> here. The premise, in democratic nations
>> at least, is that the government acts to
>> protect its citizens. If you do not trust
>> your government to act appropriately, then
>> regulations regarding traffic routing are
>> the least of your problems.
>>
>> If you don't trust your government to
>> properly balance personal privacy and
>> security against national security, then
>> you need a new
>> government. Technology is not going to stop
>> a rogue government from eavesdropping.
>
> It is currently difficult to determine which and how a government
> can be trusted; a trusted element is the system is the one which
> is allowed to breach security policy - it seems that such kind
> of trust went too far in so-called democratic countries.
>
> Assuming that Internet users are able to and should affect
> the government ("you need a new government") is a very optimistic
> assumption.  I believe that we have many Internet users in the world
> that enjoy and exercise their freedom while living in countries
> where they cannot seriously affect their own governance.
>
> For that reason, sticking to technology measures, although
> not perfect (and even sometimes naïve), is much more realistic
> and easier to implement globally to me than "tell your
> government to stop".
>
> Part of the beauty of the Internet is that I don't need
> to ask anyone's permission, especially government's,
> once technology is there.
>
>
> Marcin Cieślak
> Internet Society Poland
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