[Chapter-delegates] Our German colleagues on "national Internets"

[Gary W Kenward]

"Selling to people that their data is safe because it is kept inside some borders is wrong 
- If it is said by governments you can be sure that these governments look into your data more intensely as ever before"

I'm not sure what you are proposing here. The premise, in democratic nations at least, is that the government acts to protect its citizens. If you do not trust your government to act appropriately, then regulations regarding traffic routing are the least of your problems.

If you don't trust your government to properly balance personal privacy and security against national security, then you need a new government. Technology is not going to stop a rogue government from eavesdropping. 

The multi-stakeholder model works only if it is truly inclusive.

Gary

On 2013.11.02, at 5:22 AM, Amir Qayyum <qayyum at gmail.com> wrote:

> Quite a fact.
> +1
> 
> Amir
> ISOC Islamabad Chapter
> 
> On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 12:45 AM, info at isoc.org.ec <info at isoc.org.ec> wrote:
>> It's better to start our own spy and counter spy strategy. No matter what measures (tech, legal, etc) you take, You always, ALWAYS, will be a target if need to be one in the mind of your friends or enemies.
>> 
>> Internet Society Ecuador
>> www.isoc.org.ec
>> Síguenos @isocec
>> 
>>> El 01/11/2013, a las 12:49, Christian de Larrinaga <cdel at firsthand.net> escribió:
>>> 
>>> Isn't Hans Peter arguing that using legislation to filter traffic is the
>>> bad idea. I don't read him as saying networks should not make their own
>>> routing decisions?
>>> 
>>> Maybe Hans Peter can explain further himself?
>>> 
>>> At the moment most routing decisions are pretty opaque. I heard some
>>> complaints that UK broadband networks are playing silly games with each
>>> other.  We saw similar in the US over recent years.
>>> 
>>> The Internet has an emergent architecture so every time we deploy or
>>> configure or filter a protocol we are shaping that architecture in
>>> practice. Code is law as Lessig would say ... well  so I add .. is the
>>> configuration file.
>>> 
>>> C
>>>> Dave Burstein <mailto:daveb at dslprime.com>
>>>> 1 November 2013 02:47
>>>> Hans Peter Dittler of ISOC.de posted the below note, urging that
>>>> national security issues be kept apart from Int
>>> 
>>>> ernet routing. Many engineers think this is a good way to protect the
>>>> Internet. It certainly would be a pain in the butt to make necessary
>>>> changes to routing tables, etc, especially in the developed world.
>>>> 
>>>> Others believe security is crucial and that a nation should be
>>>> allowed, for example, to request their packets not be sent via a link
>>>> they believe is tapped. This was a major debate at WCIT.
>>>> 
>>>>  My personal take is that if Egypt, for example, thinks a foreign
>>>> power is tapping the fiber from France to Italy - as Le Monde suggests
>>>> is the case - it's reasonable to request the ISPs serving Egypt to
>>>> route French-Egyptian traffic through North Africa instead. Renesas
>>>> reported that Google switched Brazil DNS traffic to routing outside
>>>> the country recently.
>>>> I'm forwarding this to the list because it's important and highly
>>>> controversial. In particular, I'd welcome comments on what would be
>>>> the practical cost of a nation with a limited number of international
>>>> gateways - most of the less developed world - requested their gateway
>>>> providers to avoid routes they believed were intercepted. My guess is
>>> 
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