[Chapter-delegates] ccTLD management

Tue May 14 00:33:56 PDT 2013

Dear Elver,
Dear Alejandro,
Dear all,

Thank you for pointing out this issue of ccTLD management. Thanks once 
again to Dr. Alejandro for your clarification and very relevant 
comments. We exchanged some mails on this same issue about a month ago 
and the conclusion of our discussion left me unsatisfied. My question 
was: What happen when the Local Internet Community (LIC) is unhappy 
about the management of their ccTLD? It seems like IANA can only 
intervene when things go wrong technically? What can ICANN do? And What 
can the Global Internet Community do too?

Basically the ccTLD has to be managed or governed in the inclusive 
manner for the interest of the Internet community (local and global). 
But sadly, It is not the case in my country (.cm) and in many others 
countries. We are trying locally to change the situation but it is not 
easy because the entity (National Agency) which is running our ccTLD now 
received its mandate from the President of the Republic and really don't 
care about us: The users and the "Local Internet Community". It is not 
easy to fight against the State or the political power but we will not 
give-up until we get satisfaction because for me the .cm ccTLD is not 
the property of the state of Cameroon as they use to say (may I right or 
wrong?).

As Dr. Alejandro said, there are some ccTLDs registries which apply the 
multistakeholder model in their structure and governance. I can add to 
that list AFNIC (registry of the .fr) which is for me one of the most 
inclusive and broadly representative ccTLD Registry. For example, I'm 
member of "College International " of AFNIC even I'm not a French 
citizen and I'm not living in France and ISOC France is regulary 
represented in Its board of Directors (Our colleagues from France can 
tell us more).

Finally to answer Elver's Question: ISOC Cameroon Chapter has no voice 
in the management of Cameroon ccTLD (.cm). We are working locally to 
change the situation and we also expect to support of the Global 
Internet Community and ICANN.

Thanks to all for your contributions.
Best regards,
Victor Ndonnang.

On 13/05/2013 19:01, Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch wrote:
> Elver,
>
> RFC 1591 is your primary guidance here (its flip side has already made our dear colleague Victor Ndonnang sad, for it's hard to apply in the way you mean in cases like yours or his in Cameroon ie .CM.)
>
> ccTLD responsibilities are double, toward the Local Internet Community (LIC) and toward the global (GIC.) The LIC part is mostly decided in-country as some have painfully learned. ICANN has to be extremely careful in not demanding action or information beyond its mandate - actually, IANA's mandate, which is even more tightly constrained.
>
> That said, I think we can help you without meddling by providing, or assisting you in getting access to, examples of ccTLDs which are run having in their administrative structures a Board of Directors formed broadly in the community, a Consultative or Advisory Board or Committee which again is broadly representative, informed and multistakeholder, or similar.
>
> The ones that come to mind first in this sense among us, with some variations of course, are CIRA (Canada), Nominet (UK), and CGI (Brazil.) They also happen to have some relationship with ISOC. Then yo'll also have cases like Mexico and many others, some of which have already sent messages to this thread, in which at some point at least an ISOC Chapter, the ccTLD, people who attend the RIR meetings, and IETF participants were the core of the evolution of the Internet ecosystem in the country and still are active and consulted.
>
> Additonal sources of information (you of course know some of them) will be CENTR for European ccTLDs, LACTLD for those in Latin America and the Caribbean, etc.
>
> Hope this helps and that others continue to provide information here!
>
> Yours,
>
> Alejandro Pisanty
>
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> Desde: chapter-delegates-bounces at elists.isoc.org [chapter-delegates-bounces at elists.isoc.org] en nombre de Elver Loho [elver.loho at gmail.com]
> Enviado el: lunes, 13 de mayo de 2013 09:57
> Hasta: Demi Getschko
> CC: Chapter Delegates
> Asunto: Re: [Chapter-delegates] ccTLD management
>
> Thank you all for contributing on the ccTLD question :)
>
> The context for my question is the situation in Estonia, where it's a
> crazy multi-year story with all sorts of twists and turns and to do it
> any kind of justice it would take many pages. But the short version is
> that our organization was originally established to protect the
> citizenry from the ccTLD management, things got better as a result of
> our 2+ year constant political and public struggle, but we're still
> not entirely satisfied.
>
> I wonder if there is any kind of international pressure that ISOC
> could bring on the Estonian ccTLD to, for example, appoint someone
> from ISOC Estonia to the board of the .ee ccTLD management. Especially
> considering how the .ee redelegation process is still going on, so
> ICANN might be able to make some recommendations in this regard.
>
> Best,
> Elver
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> On 13 May 2013 17:38, Demi Getschko <demi at nic.br> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> Just to add a little bit on this issue, situation on ISOC-Br is quite
>> similar as that Jordi described for ISOC-Cat. The Brazilian registry do not
>> transfer funds to the chapter. NIC.br is just an organizational member as
>> others: same obligations and rights. BTW, ISOC.br chapter achieved
>> self-sustentability some months ago and we hope it will continue to evolute
>> this way.
>> best
>> demi
>>
>>
>> On 05/13/2013 08:07 AM, Jordi Iparraguirre wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> ISOC-CAT was one key player building up the community that backed up the
>>> .cat application and it is currently member of the Board at .cat (one
>>> amongst 13 members). Our 1st term finishes this summer but mandate should be
>>> renewed as we are the only member of the board representing Internet users
>>> (of 13 councilors).
>>>
>>> As member of ISOC-CAT since 1996 and the director of .cat (2006-2013) I've
>>> strived to bring into .cat registry the "Internet is for everyone" principle
>>> and to create a culture for a community oriented Registry. Registry
>>> community programs and communication always pointed out that .cat was a
>>> "common" and we (the .cat registry) where working for and on behalf of the
>>> community and reinvesting profit into the community (programs with schools,
>>> dropped prices, whois personal data protection, etc).
>>>
>>> To avoid conflicts of interest, there wasn't transfer of money from the
>>> Registry to the Chapter. Registry just provided logistic support (meeting
>>> room space, etc) or cooperated in the translation of the ISOC-Argentina
>>> "IPv6 para todos" book.
>>>
>>> On my opinion new president of the .cat foundation board has not such a
>>> community oriented vision, so I'm no longer the .cat director. Not too sure
>>> then if new mgr and board will continue to build up on this legacy.
>>>
>>> rgds
>>> jordi
>>>
>>>
>>> Al 12/05/13 06:47, En/na Elver Loho ha escrit:
>>>> Hi all!
>>>>
>>>> Quick question: what role does your chapter play in the management of
>>>> your country's specific top level domain?
>>>>
>>>> I'm wondering, because we occasionally have some disagreement with the
>>>> .ee manager, but other than being able to talk to them, we have no say in
>>>> things. Is this the case elsewhere as well?
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> Elver
>>>> .ee chapter
>>>>
>>>> elver.loho at gmail.com
>>>> +372 5661 6933
>>>> skype: elver.loho
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