[Chapter-delegates] ccTLD management

Mon May 13 13:01:19 PDT 2013

I would not include Nominet as a multi stakeholder institution. Nominet board is voted in from its members. It's membership whilst technically open, is structured (priced) to attract registrars in the main. Registrants as a class are not directly represented nor are users. 

Nominet consults outside the Nominet community which is very welcome. But decision processes are internal only. Some complain that these consultations feel more like market testing in practice. 

UK government forced some changes recently to embed some long vacant nod to public interest in its ByeLaws  but the jury is out on how this develops.

Having said that Nominet at top level has tried to reach out beyond its own immediate members interests and relations personally with the chapter are warm but detached. Chapter has no representation or stake or role at Nominet UK.  

Our last comment was on Nominet SLD proposal and can be found here. http://isoc-e.org/sld-response/

Christian de Larrinaga

On 13 May 2013, at 19:01, "Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch" <apisan at unam.mx> wrote:

> Elver,
> 
> RFC 1591 is your primary guidance here (its flip side has already made our dear colleague Victor Ndonnang sad, for it's hard to apply in the way you mean in cases like yours or his in Cameroon ie .CM.) 
> 
> ccTLD responsibilities are double, toward the Local Internet Community (LIC) and toward the global (GIC.) The LIC part is mostly decided in-country as some have painfully learned. ICANN has to be extremely careful in not demanding action or information beyond its mandate - actually, IANA's mandate, which is even more tightly constrained. 
> 
> That said, I think we can help you without meddling by providing, or assisting you in getting access to, examples of ccTLDs which are run having in their administrative structures a Board of Directors formed broadly in the community, a Consultative or Advisory Board or Committee which again is broadly representative, informed and multistakeholder, or similar.
> 
> The ones that come to mind first in this sense among us, with some variations of course, are CIRA (Canada), Nominet (UK), and CGI (Brazil.) They also happen to have some relationship with ISOC. Then yo'll also have cases like Mexico and many others, some of which have already sent messages to this thread, in which at some point at least an ISOC Chapter, the ccTLD, people who attend the RIR meetings, and IETF participants were the core of the evolution of the Internet ecosystem in the country and still are active and consulted. 
> 
> Additonal sources of information (you of course know some of them) will be CENTR for European ccTLDs, LACTLD for those in Latin America and the Caribbean, etc.
> 
> Hope this helps and that others continue to provide information here!
> 
> Yours,
> 
> Alejandro Pisanty
> 
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> Enviado el: lunes, 13 de mayo de 2013 09:57
> Hasta: Demi Getschko
> CC: Chapter Delegates
> Asunto: Re: [Chapter-delegates] ccTLD management
> 
> Thank you all for contributing on the ccTLD question :)
> 
> The context for my question is the situation in Estonia, where it's a
> crazy multi-year story with all sorts of twists and turns and to do it
> any kind of justice it would take many pages. But the short version is
> that our organization was originally established to protect the
> citizenry from the ccTLD management, things got better as a result of
> our 2+ year constant political and public struggle, but we're still
> not entirely satisfied.
> 
> I wonder if there is any kind of international pressure that ISOC
> could bring on the Estonian ccTLD to, for example, appoint someone
> from ISOC Estonia to the board of the .ee ccTLD management. Especially
> considering how the .ee redelegation process is still going on, so
> ICANN might be able to make some recommendations in this regard.
> 
> Best,
> Elver
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> On 13 May 2013 17:38, Demi Getschko <demi at nic.br> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> Just to add a little bit on this issue, situation on ISOC-Br is quite
>> similar as that Jordi described for ISOC-Cat. The Brazilian registry do not
>> transfer funds to the chapter. NIC.br is just an organizational member as
>> others: same obligations and rights. BTW, ISOC.br chapter achieved
>> self-sustentability some months ago and we hope it will continue to evolute
>> this way.
>> best
>> demi
>> 
>> 
>> On 05/13/2013 08:07 AM, Jordi Iparraguirre wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> ISOC-CAT was one key player building up the community that backed up the
>>> .cat application and it is currently member of the Board at .cat (one
>>> amongst 13 members). Our 1st term finishes this summer but mandate should be
>>> renewed as we are the only member of the board representing Internet users
>>> (of 13 councilors).
>>> 
>>> As member of ISOC-CAT since 1996 and the director of .cat (2006-2013) I've
>>> strived to bring into .cat registry the "Internet is for everyone" principle
>>> and to create a culture for a community oriented Registry. Registry
>>> community programs and communication always pointed out that .cat was a
>>> "common" and we (the .cat registry) where working for and on behalf of the
>>> community and reinvesting profit into the community (programs with schools,
>>> dropped prices, whois personal data protection, etc).
>>> 
>>> To avoid conflicts of interest, there wasn't transfer of money from the
>>> Registry to the Chapter. Registry just provided logistic support (meeting
>>> room space, etc) or cooperated in the translation of the ISOC-Argentina
>>> "IPv6 para todos" book.
>>> 
>>> On my opinion new president of the .cat foundation board has not such a
>>> community oriented vision, so I'm no longer the .cat director. Not too sure
>>> then if new mgr and board will continue to build up on this legacy.
>>> 
>>> rgds
>>> jordi
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Al 12/05/13 06:47, En/na Elver Loho ha escrit:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi all!
>>>> 
>>>> Quick question: what role does your chapter play in the management of
>>>> your country's specific top level domain?
>>>> 
>>>> I'm wondering, because we occasionally have some disagreement with the
>>>> .ee manager, but other than being able to talk to them, we have no say in
>>>> things. Is this the case elsewhere as well?
>>>> 
>>>> Best,
>>>> Elver
>>>> .ee chapter
>>>> 
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