[Chapter-delegates] Day-to-day funding
Grigori Saghyan
gregor at arminco.com
Tue Mar 12 13:27:00 PDT 2013
Dear Ted, All,
in order to develop a long term working plan first of all it is
necessary to have a real picture of current situation in each Chapter.
We have information about existing Chapters, but there is no any
reliable information about capabilities of each Chapter. This point is
essential for ISOC - Chapter performance, and I think, that this is one
of the key factors.
In some cases, it is extremely important to have a Chapter in a
specific country, even if there is only one representative in this
Chapter, as a contact point, even if this Chapter is not effective. It
is not necessary to expect any effective actions from such Chapter, but
necessay to provide a support WITHOUT VIOLATION OF LOCAL REGULATIONS!
But if there are Chapters, who are able to work with Governments, have
their strong positions in the local society, ISOC-Global have to use
their potential.
And if such Chapter is able to help its own country to have a modern
position in intergovernmental conferences, this will help us to go
ahead. Just an example - there are 194 countries in the World. EU
countries, US, Canada, NZ, AU, JP, Kr, - totally 55 countries vs 89
other countries on WCIT. If ISOC will find a real way to support at
least 20 Chapters/Countries, we shall have 75 vs 69.
I suggest to find a way, how to understand the potential or power of
each Chapter. May be it will be a survey, or independent evaluation, or
a collective opinion, based on previous experience, or something other.
Concerning small grants like 1000 USD - better to provide a travel
grant for one representative of a Chapter to involve this
representative in the ISOC activity, 1000 USD for advertising inside
the country is nothing.
With respect,
Grigori Saghyan
ISOC.AM
On 12.03.2013 19:53, Ted Mooney wrote:
> I support Eric's call for a the views and discussion on this list.
> While it will surprise no one to say that nothing will be done quickly,
> I would like to work with Chapter leaders to develop a long term support
> plan for the Internet Society that takes these needs and ideas into
> consideration, indeed as a foundation. I'm making no commitment that
> once a plan is developed it will be fully implemented. Such a decision
> is at the highest levels. However, without a proposal that is complete
> and well thought-out, the likely outcome is quite diminished. So I am
> collecting these ideas for the moment and will discuss alternatives for
> moving forward with ISOC Execs.
>
> All the best,
>
> Ted
>
> Ted Mooney
> Sr. Director, Membership & Services
> Cell: 301-980-6446
> Skype: ted.mooney3
>
> www.internetsociety.org <http://www.internetsociety.org>
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>
>
>
> On Mar 12, 2013, at 9:58 AM, Eric Burger <eburger at standardstrack.com
> <mailto:eburger at standardstrack.com>> wrote:
>
>> What does support look like?
>>
>> 1. Does ISOC Global directly hire 92 part-time staff and distribute
>> them around the world? Is this an efficient use of ISOC resources?
>> Do all chapters need or want support? Do chapters want but do not
>> need support? Are there chapters that need and want support? How
>> do we tell the difference?
>> 2. Does ISOC Global pour money into all of the chapters? How much?
>> Why? What for? How is it accounted for? Is it legal, both from a
>> donor perspective (a non-profit's funds cannot be used to enrich
>> an individual) and a recipient perspective (many countries bar a
>> non-profit from receiving foreign funds)?
>> 3. Does ISOC Global use the franchise model, and provide central
>> services that chapters chose to use? This has the benefits of
>> economies of scale and flexibility, but is it OK if it makes only
>> 90% of the chapters happy?
>>
>> This discussion is timely and important - let us hear your views!
>>
>> On Mar 12, 2013, at 9:45 AM, sylvain aboka baya <abscoco2001 at yahoo.fr
>> <mailto:abscoco2001 at yahoo.fr>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi Veni, hi Elver, hi All,
>>> +1 veni, you are right, the chapters need the back support of ISOC
>>> Global now. Thanks to Elver, to speak aloud what all are just
>>> thinking in dear mind... (y)
>>> *//*
>>> */
>>> /*
>>>
>>> En date du Mardi 12 mars 2013 12h23, Veni Markovski <veni at veni.com
>>> <mailto:veni at veni.com>> a écrit :
>>>
>>> *//**//*
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>
>>> *De :*
>>> *À :* borka at e5.ijs.si <mailto:borka at e5.ijs.si>
>>> *Cc :* chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org
>>> <mailto:chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>
>>> *Envoyé le :*
>>> *Objet :* Re: [Chapter-delegates] Day-to-day funding
>>>
>>> Borka,
>>> it seems that instead of asking what the chapters can do for
>>> ISOC, we should ask what ISOC can do for the chapters.
>>>
>>> After all - and that's a fact not known to all people on this
>>> list, it were *the chapters who provided the overwhelming support
>>> for ISOC*, when it was bidding to get the management of .org.
>>> It were the chapters, who collected letters from governments,
>>> academia, and non-profits, to be brought against other bidders.
>>> Let me remind you, that some of the other bidders were also far
>>> better prepared to run a registry, than ISOC. Back then, ISOC was
>>> not the same organization as it is today, and therefore we, the
>>> chapters, have done our duty to ISOC.
>>>
>>> best,
>>> veni
>>>
>>>
>>> On 03/12/2013 07:18, borka at e5.ijs.si <mailto:borka at e5.ijs.si> wrote:
>>>> +1
>>>>
>>>> Well said. Our law does not allow for non-for-profit
>>>> association as it is ISOC-SI corporate members. So, we do not
>>>> have any
>>>> donations or similar income. The work is done
>>>> by volunteers, but for how long (we are paying the
>>>> accounting clerk as we must provide each year
>>>> to the tax office a financial report)?
>>>>
>>>> The demands to the chapters from
>>>> ISOC staff are rising every day and it seems that chapters
>>>> are working for an association with quite a big and paid staff
>>>> without knowing why we must do that and why we must
>>>> change the current modest voluntary support we have from our
>>>> members.
>>>> The European chapters had a meeting in Frankfurt on December 17th,
>>>> three or four ISOC staff people attended the meeting but so far
>>>> no Minutes appeared from the meeting. However, in the same time
>>>> ISOC is requesting the chapters to send Minutes from their
>>>> meetings and to run extensive membership administration, what
>>>> is the basis for that request?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> With regards,
>>>>
>>>> Borka
>>>> ISOC Slovenia.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, 11 Mar 2013, Edwin A. Opare wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Elver,
>>>>>
>>>>> Well said.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any ideas, thoughts or suggestions on chapter sustainability
>>>>> especially when
>>>>> membership dues are not coming through and a chapter does not
>>>>> have any
>>>>> corporate members and their relating support on board?
>>>>>
>>>>> Edwin Opare oc.org <http://oc.org/>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Veni Markovski
>>> http://www.veni.com <http://www.veni.com/>
>>> https://www.facebook.com/venimarkovski
>>> https://twitter.com/veni
>>>
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>>> with or related to him in any given way.
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>>> marcher d'une manière digne de la vocation qui vous a été
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>>> ''Craignons donc, tandis que la promesse d'entrer dans son repos
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