[Chapter-delegates] ISOC position on NSA Spying

[Narelle Clark President ISOC-AU]

Alejandro,
what you describe is the line we're taking in Australia.

We are awaiting recommendations from a government inquiry on intelligence
and security including metadata definition and retention. The pressure has
just intensified.

Regards


Narelle

On Wed, June 12, 2013 12:32 pm, Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch wrote:
> Christian, all,
>
> couple of quick points here:
>
> 1. what is being called "metadata" in press bulletins and other
> communications is actually "traffic data." If I am reading well, this data
> is phone numbers for initiation and termination (caller and called
> parties), call durations, possibly locations, IP addresses (again maybe
> locations) (could also include protocol, size, port, etc. in packet
> headers.) Again (please correct me if wrong): this is not metadata. It is
> data.
>
> 2. as such, this data would be under Personal Data Protection laws in most
> countries which have one. In Europe the Data Retention Directive gives
> countries the choice to keep this kind of data for up to 18 months (or
> more specifically, to mandate by law that operators keep this kind of
> data) and mandates as well what parties (law enforcement) can have access
> to this data, and under which circumstances (judge's orders, for example.)
> (thanks, Veni, for useful reminders at ungodly hours.)
>
> 3. we in ISOC chapters must also turn our attention to the national
> implications of the published interventions. What are our governments and
> our telcos, ISPs, and OSPs authorizing? The "didn't know" excuse expired
> last Thursday and they should be diligently investigating. And, what
> similar programs, with related software - think FinFisher - are they
> executing locally? can we help each other share tools, good practice,
> methods, etc.? For reference see among maaaaany examples see "You Only
> Click Twice" by the CitizenLab at the University of Toronto,
> https://citizenlab.org/2013/03/you-only-click-twice-finfishers-global-proliferation-2/
> - we should also ask whether or to what extent we'd be sure to stay within
> ISOC guidelines without consulting HQ, who must also be forthcoming on
> this aspect soon.
>
> 4. re HQ communications: I think we can all understand that ISOC should
> not race to express itself but something like "we find reasons for
> concern, we will investigate whether A, B, C, consider the possibilities
> that D, E, F, engage with our own Advisory Council, org members,
> individual members, and Chapters, and then come up with a statement" and
> this may not be a public, official communication but at least delivered to
> the mentioned parties.
>
> Yours,
>
> Alejandro Pisanty
>
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> ________________________________________
> Desde: chapter-delegates-bounces at elists.isoc.org
> [chapter-delegates-bounces at elists.isoc.org] en nombre de Christian de
> Larrinaga [cdel at firsthand.net]
> Enviado el: martes, 11 de junio de 2013 18:04
> Hasta: David Solomonoff
> CC: Chapter Delegates; ISOCNY BOD
> Asunto: Re: [Chapter-delegates] ISOC position on NSA Spying
>
> David,
>
> The one light at the end of this tunnel for us outside US is to hear the
> outrage of our friends in the US.
>
> However the US domestic emphasis of is small beer to the consequences of
> US treatment of non US sourced data and IPR traversing US entities.
>
>
> best
>
>
>
> Christian
>
>
>
>
> David Solomonoff wrote:
>> The revelations about the National Security Agency's surveillance
>> apparatus, if true, are a stunning abuse of our basic rights to freedom
>> and privacy.
>>
>> A coalition has formed to demand that the U.S. Congress reveal the full
>> extent of the NSA's domestic spying programs. I'm personally joining the
>> Electronic Frontier Foundation, Mozilla, Free Press, Fight for the
>> Future, Access and many more consumer activist groups as part of that
>> coalition.
>>
>> I believe that the Internet Society should sign their petition as well.
>>
>> http://www.stopwatching.us
>>
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