[Chapter-delegates] ISOC position on NSA Spying

[Kerry Brown]

A humorous, but serious take on how "metadata" can be used.

http://kieranhealy.org/blog/archives/2013/06/09/using-metadata-to-find-paul-revere/

Kerry Brown

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> From: chapter-delegates-bounces at elists.isoc.org [mailto:chapter-delegates-
> bounces at elists.isoc.org] On Behalf Of Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch
> Sent: June-11-13 7:32 PM
> To: Christian de Larrinaga; David Solomonoff
> Cc: Chapter Delegates; ISOCNY BOD
> Subject: Re: [Chapter-delegates] ISOC position on NSA Spying
> 
> Christian, all,
> 
> couple of quick points here:
> 
> 1. what is being called "metadata" in press bulletins and other
> communications is actually "traffic data." If I am reading well, this data is
> phone numbers for initiation and termination (caller and called parties), call
> durations, possibly locations, IP addresses (again maybe locations) (could also
> include protocol, size, port, etc. in packet headers.) Again (please correct me
> if wrong): this is not metadata. It is data.
> 
> 2. as such, this data would be under Personal Data Protection laws in most
> countries which have one. In Europe the Data Retention Directive gives
> countries the choice to keep this kind of data for up to 18 months (or more
> specifically, to mandate by law that operators keep this kind of data) and
> mandates as well what parties (law enforcement) can have access to this
> data, and under which circumstances (judge's orders, for example.) (thanks,
> Veni, for useful reminders at ungodly hours.)
> 
> 3. we in ISOC chapters must also turn our attention to the national
> implications of the published interventions. What are our governments and
> our telcos, ISPs, and OSPs authorizing? The "didn't know" excuse expired last
> Thursday and they should be diligently investigating. And, what similar
> programs, with related software - think FinFisher - are they executing locally?
> can we help each other share tools, good practice, methods, etc.? For
> reference see among maaaaany examples see "You Only Click Twice" by the
> CitizenLab at the University of Toronto, https://citizenlab.org/2013/03/you-
> only-click-twice-finfishers-global-proliferation-2/ - we should also ask
> whether or to what extent we'd be sure to stay within ISOC guidelines
> without consulting HQ, who must also be forthcoming on this aspect soon.
> 
> 4. re HQ communications: I think we can all understand that ISOC should not
> race to express itself but something like "we find reasons for concern, we will
> investigate whether A, B, C, consider the possibilities that D, E, F, engage
> with our own Advisory Council, org members, individual members, and
> Chapters, and then come up with a statement" and this may not be a public,
> official communication but at least delivered to the mentioned parties.
> 
> Yours,
> 
> Alejandro Pisanty
> 
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> ________________________________________
> Desde: chapter-delegates-bounces at elists.isoc.org [chapter-delegates-
> bounces at elists.isoc.org] en nombre de Christian de Larrinaga
> [cdel at firsthand.net] Enviado el: martes, 11 de junio de 2013 18:04
> Hasta: David Solomonoff
> CC: Chapter Delegates; ISOCNY BOD
> Asunto: Re: [Chapter-delegates] ISOC position on NSA Spying
> 
> David,
> 
> The one light at the end of this tunnel for us outside US is to hear the outrage
> of our friends in the US.
> 
> However the US domestic emphasis of is small beer to the consequences of
> US treatment of non US sourced data and IPR traversing US entities.
> 
> 
> best
> 
> 
> 
> Christian
> 
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> 
> 
> David Solomonoff wrote:
> > The revelations about the National Security Agency's surveillance
> > apparatus, if true, are a stunning abuse of our basic rights to
> > freedom and privacy.
> >
> > A coalition has formed to demand that the U.S. Congress reveal the
> > full extent of the NSA's domestic spying programs. I'm personally
> > joining the Electronic Frontier Foundation, Mozilla, Free Press, Fight
> > for the Future, Access and many more consumer activist groups as part
> > of that coalition.
> >
> > I believe that the Internet Society should sign their petition as well.
> >
> > http://www.stopwatching.us
> >
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