[Chapter-delegates] [Itu2012chapters] Fwd: UPDATE: Application to form an ISOC Chapter in Canada (Central)

Maureen Hilyard hilyard at oyster.net.ck
Wed Feb 6 09:18:38 PST 2013 

I have been following the discussions on this application with interest and
would like to contribute the following.

PICISOC - the Pacific Chapter - is a regional chapter which represents 22
countries. We have a memorandum of understanding with the Pacific nations to
represent their interests in the internet and its development within global
organisations like ISOC and ICANN. PICISOC works within the region to raise
awareness and to advocate wherever possible with governments and global
organisations, to support internet development and access within the region.


One of the countries that has a strong ICT group is Vanuatu. It has the
growing confidence of its government which has introduced e-Government and
supported the creation of IXPs developed to strengthen IT communication,
etc.  It is an example of strong IT development within the Pacific and of
government leaders working with their ICT community, many of whom are
PICISOC members.  Not so long ago, Vanuatu raised the possibility of setting
up their own ISOC Chapter and having more say for themselves in the global
arena.  There was some discussion on the list and considerable discussion
with the Board, but eventually a consensus was reached about the need for a
collaborative approach by the region and that the strength of PICISOC was in
the Pacific nations working together for the benefit of the region.  At the
next elections, another Vanuatu member joined the PICISOC Board and this has
strengthened our relationship with the Vanuatu ICT community. 

In our smaller Pacific nations, some governments are still slow to recognise
the value of access to the technology and the need for investment in it. It
is for users in these countries that PICISOC advocates the most, and we get
support from the members of our more IT-developed island nations. PICISOC
remains as a united organisation. 

As has been raised before, each situation is different. This is ours. 

Maureen


On 6 Feb 2013, at 07:41, Gary W Kenward wrote:

> Sivasubramanian:
> 
>   As I was recently reminded by an ISOC member from Italy, every country
is different. 
> 
>   The vision for the ISOC Canada Chapter is to be inclusive of all of
Canada's regions and cultures. This would include any regional ISOC
Chapters.  There are many Canadian precedents that prove national
organizations work. 
> 
>    At a high level level, I don't see much difference between the two
models. Except that I foresee difficulties with a council of chapters with
only one chapter at the table.
> 
> Regards,
> Gary
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Plus ca change, plus c'est le meme chose
> 
> On 2013-02-06, at 2:09, Sivasubramanian M <isolatedn at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Dear Gary,
>> 
>> In India, often an opinion is expressed that there must be ONE India 
>> Chapter, whereas we have four already - Bangalore, Calcutta, Chennai 
>> and Delhi. My own opinion is that the one chapter idea is not a good 
>> idea, especially because we have four functional chapters. However, I 
>> feel that we could have an India Coordination Council by this or any 
>> other name. Even for this, there is one opinion that the idea needs 
>> to wait till we have more chapters in India.
>> 
>> What I have suggested is something along these lines.
>> 
>> I wonder if it is necessary to wait till you have a Chapter in every 
>> province - it may not be necessary nor practical to have a Chapter in 
>> every province. But a Coordination Council might have a purpose even 
>> between two Chapters. and could grow in size and importance as more 
>> Chapters are formed within the country.
>> 
>> If there is merit in this, or if this idea could be improved to have 
>> merit, we could think of a uniform structure by which multiple 
>> chapters within a country could create a framework for collaboration, 
>> uniformly across the Internet Society.
>> 
>> Sivasubramanian M
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 11:05 AM, Gary W Kenward <garykenward at eastlink.ca>
wrote:
>>> Sivasubramanian:
>>> 
>>> If I may, what you propose is excellent. The only difficulty is that 
>>> there is currently only one existing regional ISOC chapter in 
>>> Canada, the ISOC Quebec Chapter. There are 12 other provinces and 
>>> territories in need of representation.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Gary Kenward
>>> 
>>> On 2013-02-06, at 1:09, Sivasubramanian M <isolatedn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> On Feb 6, 2013 6:25 AM, "Judith Hellerstein" 
>>> <judith at jhellerstein.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Here is the response  from isoc canada. Hope this clarifies things 
>>>> for all.  If not please write back to glenn directly
>>>> 
>>>> Best,
>>>> Judith
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>> Judith at jhellerstein.com
>>>> Skype ID: judithhellerstein
>>>> 
>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>> 
>>>>> From: Glenn McKnight <mcknight.glenn at gmail.com>
>>>>> Date: February 5, 2013 7:51:06 PM EST
>>>>> To: judith at jhellerstein.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Chapter-delegates] UPDATE: Application to form an 
>>>>> ISOC Chapter in Canada (Central)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi
>>>>> A few clarification points
>>>>> 1. Bylaws
>>>>> -ISOC  Canada Chapter will have a director from each and every 
>>>>> exisiting and potential chapter -All sponsorship revenue would be 
>>>>> shared equally with each chapter
>>>>> 
>>>>> 2. National Voice
>>>>> All telecom issues is governed by the CRTC  not a city or 
>>>>> provincial body so a  Country wide group is wise.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 3. Interest
>>>>> Support for the new chapter is across Canada
>>> 
>>> Based on the above points, I am prone to consider this proposal as 
>>> one to form a federation of chapters rather than a Chapter. A 
>>> director from each chapter, revenues equally shared across chapters 
>>> - these points characterize a federation rather than a local chapter.
>>> 
>>> Would be more meaningful to form BOTH the Canada Central Chapter AND 
>>> the Internet Society of Canada, perhaps with Canada Central leading the
efforts.
>>> 
>>> Sivasubramanian M
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 4. Letters of Support
>>>>> Louis and the ISOC Quebec support the new chapter not the former 
>>>>> name ISOC Canada Central  which was before.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hope this clarifies things
>>>>> G
>>>>> 
>>>>> Glenn McKnight
>>>>> mcknight.glenn at gmail.com
>>>>> skype  gmcknight
>>>>> twitter gmcknight
>>>>> Http://www.globalcatalysts.com
>>>>> http://newsocialmedia.wordpress.com
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 7:24 AM, Judith Hellerstein 
>>>>> <judith at jhellerstein.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Joly,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Forwarding this to Glenn and Evan who are the key people working 
>>>>>> on this submission. I am not sure they are yet added to the chapter
delegates list.
>>>>>> They best can answer all of your questions. Glenn and Evan,  Can 
>>>>>> you answer Joly's and Imran's questions
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>> Judith
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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>>>>>> On 2/5/13 1:30 AM, Joly MacFie wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 12:39 AM, Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch 
>>>>>>> <apisan at unam.mx> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I don't believe we as chapter delegates would fulfill our 
>>>>>>>> duties if we do not ask these questions. Is there an agreement 
>>>>>>>> among the people in the existing ISOC Quebec chapter and the 
>>>>>>>> newly-forming ones that is satisfactory to all parties and fulfills
the above two goals?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> My concern is that a precedent be set that might come back to 
>>>>>>> bite us in other, more controversial, neighborhoods. I seem to 
>>>>>>> recall a couple of disputes in the past that were resolved by a 
>>>>>>> firm policy from ISOC that there should not be geographical 
>>>>>>> overlap, period. As far as I have heard, Quebec is still part of
Canada.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> j
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>>>>>> 
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