[Chapter-delegates] [Itu2012chapters] Fwd: UPDATE: Application to form an ISOC Chapter in Canada (Central)

Sabrina Wilmot wilmot at isoc.org
Wed Feb 6 01:39:21 PST 2013 

Dear all,

I appreciate the discussion which has somehow gone to a different mailing list. I'm now redirecting it back to the Chapter-delegates mailing list.

Also hoping that Louis Houle from the Quebec Chapter will share his comments with this list. 

Regards,
Sabrina Wilmot
Internet Society


On 6 Feb 2013, at 07:41, Gary W Kenward wrote:

> Sivasubramanian:
> 
>   As I was recently reminded by an ISOC member from Italy, every country is different. 
> 
>   The vision for the ISOC Canada Chapter is to be inclusive of all of Canada's regions and cultures. This would include any regional ISOC Chapters.  There are many Canadian precedents that prove national organizations work. 
> 
>    At a high level level, I don't see much difference between the two models. Except that I foresee difficulties with a council of chapters with only one chapter at the table.
> 
> Regards,
> Gary
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Plus ca change, plus c'est le meme chose
> 
> On 2013-02-06, at 2:09, Sivasubramanian M <isolatedn at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Dear Gary,
>> 
>> In India, often an opinion is expressed that there must be ONE India
>> Chapter, whereas we have four already - Bangalore, Calcutta, Chennai
>> and Delhi. My own opinion is that the one chapter idea is not a good
>> idea, especially because we have four functional chapters. However, I
>> feel that we could have an India Coordination Council by this or any
>> other name. Even for this, there is one opinion that the idea needs to
>> wait till we have more chapters in India.
>> 
>> What I have suggested is something along these lines.
>> 
>> I wonder if it is necessary to wait till you have a Chapter in every
>> province - it may not be necessary nor practical to have a Chapter in
>> every province. But a Coordination Council might have a purpose even
>> between two Chapters. and could grow in size and importance as more
>> Chapters are formed within the country.
>> 
>> If there is merit in this, or if this idea could be improved to have
>> merit, we could think of a uniform structure by which multiple
>> chapters within a country could create a framework for collaboration,
>> uniformly across the Internet Society.
>> 
>> Sivasubramanian M
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 11:05 AM, Gary W Kenward <garykenward at eastlink.ca> wrote:
>>> Sivasubramanian:
>>> 
>>> If I may, what you propose is excellent. The only difficulty is that there
>>> is currently only one existing regional ISOC chapter in Canada, the ISOC
>>> Quebec Chapter. There are 12 other provinces and territories in need of
>>> representation.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Gary Kenward
>>> 
>>> On 2013-02-06, at 1:09, Sivasubramanian M <isolatedn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> On Feb 6, 2013 6:25 AM, "Judith Hellerstein" <judith at jhellerstein.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Here is the response  from isoc canada. Hope this clarifies things for
>>>> all.  If not please write back to glenn directly
>>>> 
>>>> Best,
>>>> Judith
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>> Judith at jhellerstein.com
>>>> Skype ID: judithhellerstein
>>>> 
>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>> 
>>>>> From: Glenn McKnight <mcknight.glenn at gmail.com>
>>>>> Date: February 5, 2013 7:51:06 PM EST
>>>>> To: judith at jhellerstein.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Chapter-delegates] UPDATE: Application to form an ISOC
>>>>> Chapter in Canada (Central)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi
>>>>> A few clarification points
>>>>> 1. Bylaws
>>>>> -ISOC  Canada Chapter will have a director from each and every exisiting
>>>>> and potential chapter
>>>>> -All sponsorship revenue would be shared equally with each chapter
>>>>> 
>>>>> 2. National Voice
>>>>> All telecom issues is governed by the CRTC  not a city or provincial body
>>>>> so a  Country wide group is wise.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 3. Interest
>>>>> Support for the new chapter is across Canada
>>> 
>>> Based on the above points, I am prone to consider this proposal as one to
>>> form a federation of chapters rather than a Chapter. A director from each
>>> chapter, revenues equally shared across chapters - these points characterize
>>> a federation rather than a local chapter.
>>> 
>>> Would be more meaningful to form BOTH the Canada Central Chapter AND the
>>> Internet Society of Canada, perhaps with Canada Central leading the efforts.
>>> 
>>> Sivasubramanian M
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 4. Letters of Support
>>>>> Louis and the ISOC Quebec support the new chapter not the former name
>>>>> ISOC Canada Central  which was before.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hope this clarifies things
>>>>> G
>>>>> 
>>>>> Glenn McKnight
>>>>> mcknight.glenn at gmail.com
>>>>> skype  gmcknight
>>>>> twitter gmcknight
>>>>> Http://www.globalcatalysts.com
>>>>> http://newsocialmedia.wordpress.com
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 7:24 AM, Judith Hellerstein
>>>>> <judith at jhellerstein.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Joly,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Forwarding this to Glenn and Evan who are the key people working on this
>>>>>> submission. I am not sure they are yet added to the chapter delegates list.
>>>>>> They best can answer all of your questions. Glenn and Evan,  Can you answer
>>>>>> Joly's and Imran's questions
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>> Judith
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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>>>>>> On 2/5/13 1:30 AM, Joly MacFie wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 12:39 AM, Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch
>>>>>>> <apisan at unam.mx> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I don't believe we as chapter delegates would fulfill our duties if we
>>>>>>>> do not ask these questions. Is there an agreement among the people in the
>>>>>>>> existing ISOC Quebec chapter and the newly-forming ones that is satisfactory
>>>>>>>> to all parties and fulfills the above two goals?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> My concern is that a precedent be set that might come back to bite us
>>>>>>> in other, more controversial, neighborhoods. I seem to recall a couple
>>>>>>> of disputes in the past that were resolved by a firm policy from ISOC
>>>>>>> that there should not be geographical overlap, period. As far as I
>>>>>>> have heard, Quebec is still part of Canada.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> j
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