[Chapter-delegates] Has ISOC signed the Declaration of Internet Freedom?

Wed Jul 4 05:11:41 PDT 2012

Joly

Well put.  One important characteristic of an effective advocacy organization is discipline -- not just signing on to whatever comes along.  It may give rise to complaints like David's but in the long run being disciplined allows for more buy-in by the membership and avoidance of embarrassments. 

The problem with this declaration is that it is incomplete and directed at only one part of what the Internet should stand for "press freedom".  I also agree with the questions of what does "free" mean in the declaration.  As I indicated before, I find this declaration to be not particularly well-drafted -- surprising given the authorship.

John

On Jul 4, 2012, at 1:49 AM, Joly MacFie wrote:

> I respectfully disagree with David here in the propriety of his effort to try and shame ISOC into signing the declaration by citing peer pressure.
> 
> One of the reasons I am proud to associate with the Internet Society, and what I believe is why it is respected and the influential organization it is, is its steady adherence to its basic principles, and its refusal be blown this way and that by every activist polemic that comes along. It recognizes the complexities and realities of the job in hand, at a global level.
> 
> The Internet Declaration is by no means at odds with ISOC's mission. In fact, so much so that it practically goes without saying. I am happy to know that those in our policy team will carefully evaluate the merits or otherwise of adopting such a platform as they engage in the current tricky high level engagements.  It's very possible that by letting it gain independent momentum we will empower our position more. 
> 
> What also surprises me is that David has not lobbied the NY Chapter, a much more likely candidate, to itself become an organizational signatory. Surely that would appease the our cyberlibertarian friends?
> 
> j
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> On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 11:13 PM, David Solomonoff <president at isoc-ny.org> wrote:
> I think there is a real danger here that Khaled is addressing:
> 
> Vint and Jonathan have signed it. I did after I saw they did as individuals as well as many prestigious organizations ISOC often partners with. Is there something about the statement that is suspicious or problematical?
> 
> If so it should be addressed. Right now it looks like ISOC is either late to the party or actively opposed to these principles.
> 
> This kind on non-response can be extremely damaging to ISOC's reputation. And makes it hard for Chapters like ours that try to build relationships with cyberliberties groups at the local level.
> 
> 
> On 7/3/12 7:22 PM, khaled koubaa wrote:
> I have seen Vint Cerf has signed it as person as well as Jonathan
> Zittrain ( Board member ) as person
> I am also doing it as person. I see this as part of a campaign on
> ITU/WCIT issues
> And honestly I agree with all the declaration so I can not see why
> ISOC don't signed as it what ISOC mission and values outline here :
> http://www.internetsociety.org/who-we-are/mission/values-and-principles
> 
> 2012/7/3 Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch<apisan at unam.mx>:
> David, all,
> 
> any more background?
> 
> I see reasons to discuss these purported principles but none to jump into an
> unknown bandwagon without a good check on completeness, bias, alignment...
> 
> Further, in other spaces, I've been critical of many "declarations of
> principles for the Internet", other than the core design principles and
> their evolution, as they superimpose agendas that the technology is not
> meant to deliver or fix, and may end up, in fact, creating new constraints.
> 
> Plus what I think is the key question, "can you codify 'permanent-beta'"?
> 
> Just a thought akin to looking at the pool before jumping...
> 
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> Enviado el: martes, 03 de julio de 2012 11:57
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> Asunto: [Chapter-delegates] Has ISOC signed the Declaration of Internet
> Freedom?
> 
> Did I miss ISOC on the list of organizational signers?
> 
> Declaration
> 
> We stand for a free and open Internet.
> 
> We support transparent and participatory processes for making Internet
> policy and the establishment of five basic principles:
> 
>      Expression: Don't censor the Internet.
>      Access: Promote universal access to fast and affordable networks.
>      Openness: Keep the Internet an open network where everyone is free to
> connect, communicate, write, read, watch, speak, listen, learn, create and
> innovate.
>      Innovation: Protect the freedom to innovate and create without
> permission. Don’t block new technologies, and don’t punish innovators for
> their users' actions.
>      Privacy: Protect privacy and defend everyone’s ability to control how
> their data and devices are used.
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> http://www.internetdeclaration.org/freedom (via shareaholic)
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