[Chapter-delegates] Has ISOC signed the Declaration of Internet Freedom?

Tue Jul 3 22:49:19 PDT 2012

I respectfully disagree with David here in the propriety of his effort to
try and shame ISOC into signing the declaration by citing peer pressure.

One of the reasons I am proud to associate with the Internet Society, and
what I believe is why it is respected and the influential organization it
is, is its steady adherence to its basic principles, and its refusal be
blown this way and that by every activist polemic that comes along. It
recognizes the complexities and realities of the job in hand, at a global
level.

The Internet Declaration is by no means at odds with ISOC's mission. In
fact, so much so that it practically goes without saying. I am happy to
know that those in our policy team will carefully evaluate the merits or
otherwise of adopting such a platform as they engage in the current tricky
high level engagements.  It's very possible that by letting it gain
independent momentum we will empower our position more.

What also surprises me is that David has not lobbied the NY Chapter, a much
more likely candidate, to itself become an organizational signatory. Surely
that would appease the our cyberlibertarian friends?

j

On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 11:13 PM, David Solomonoff <president at isoc-ny.org>wrote:

> I think there is a real danger here that Khaled is addressing:
>
> Vint and Jonathan have signed it. I did after I saw they did as
> individuals as well as many prestigious organizations ISOC often partners
> with. Is there something about the statement that is suspicious or
> problematical?
>
> If so it should be addressed. Right now it looks like ISOC is either late
> to the party or actively opposed to these principles.
>
> This kind on non-response can be extremely damaging to ISOC's reputation.
> And makes it hard for Chapters like ours that try to build relationships
> with cyberliberties groups at the local level.
>
>
> On 7/3/12 7:22 PM, khaled koubaa wrote:
>
>> I have seen Vint Cerf has signed it as person as well as Jonathan
>> Zittrain ( Board member ) as person
>> I am also doing it as person. I see this as part of a campaign on
>> ITU/WCIT issues
>> And honestly I agree with all the declaration so I can not see why
>> ISOC don't signed as it what ISOC mission and values outline here :
>> http://www.internetsociety.**org/who-we-are/mission/values-**
>> and-principles<http://www.internetsociety.org/who-we-are/mission/values-and-principles>
>>
>> 2012/7/3 Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch<apisan at unam.mx>:
>>
>>> David, all,
>>>
>>> any more background?
>>>
>>> I see reasons to discuss these purported principles but none to jump
>>> into an
>>> unknown bandwagon without a good check on completeness, bias,
>>> alignment...
>>>
>>> Further, in other spaces, I've been critical of many "declarations of
>>> principles for the Internet", other than the core design principles and
>>> their evolution, as they superimpose agendas that the technology is not
>>> meant to deliver or fix, and may end up, in fact, creating new
>>> constraints.
>>>
>>> Plus what I think is the key question, "can you codify 'permanent-beta'"?
>>>
>>> Just a thought akin to looking at the pool before jumping...
>>>
>>> Yours,
>>>
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>>> Hasta: Chapter Delegates
>>> Asunto: [Chapter-delegates] Has ISOC signed the Declaration of Internet
>>> Freedom?
>>>
>>> Did I miss ISOC on the list of organizational signers?
>>>
>>> Declaration
>>>
>>> We stand for a free and open Internet.
>>>
>>> We support transparent and participatory processes for making Internet
>>> policy and the establishment of five basic principles:
>>>
>>>      Expression: Don't censor the Internet.
>>>      Access: Promote universal access to fast and affordable networks.
>>>      Openness: Keep the Internet an open network where everyone is free
>>> to
>>> connect, communicate, write, read, watch, speak, listen, learn, create
>>> and
>>> innovate.
>>>      Innovation: Protect the freedom to innovate and create without
>>> permission. Don’t block new technologies, and don’t punish innovators for
>>> their users' actions.
>>>      Privacy: Protect privacy and defend everyone’s ability to control
>>> how
>>> their data and devices are used.
>>>
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