[Chapter-delegates] Has ISOC signed the Declaration of Internet Freedom?

[John More]

I generally agree with Veni and Alejandro.  

While individuals can sign, the declaration is a bit facile and wordy to serve as an effective declaration.  So I would hope that ISOC does not sign on without further changes.  I agree with what is stated, but I am not comfortable that it is the proper wording for a "Declaration".

John More


On Jul 3, 2012, at 7:25 PM, Veni Markovski wrote:

> Hopefully we'll hear from them.
> But the declaration as it is, I am not comfortable with it enough to sign it personally. 
> 
> On Tuesday, July 3, 2012, khaled koubaa wrote:
> I have seen Vint Cerf has signed it as person as well as Jonathan
> Zittrain ( Board member ) as person
> I am also doing it as person. I see this as part of a campaign on
> ITU/WCIT issues
> And honestly I agree with all the declaration so I can not see why
> ISOC don't signed as it what ISOC mission and values outline here :
> http://www.internetsociety.org/who-we-are/mission/values-and-principles
> 
> 2012/7/3 Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch <apisan at unam.mx>:
> > David, all,
> >
> > any more background?
> >
> > I see reasons to discuss these purported principles but none to jump into an
> > unknown bandwagon without a good check on completeness, bias, alignment...
> >
> > Further, in other spaces, I've been critical of many "declarations of
> > principles for the Internet", other than the core design principles and
> > their evolution, as they superimpose agendas that the technology is not
> > meant to deliver or fix, and may end up, in fact, creating new constraints.
> >
> > Plus what I think is the key question, "can you codify 'permanent-beta'"?
> >
> > Just a thought akin to looking at the pool before jumping...
> >
> > Yours,
> >
> > Alejandro Pisanty
> >
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> > Desde: chapter-delegates-bounces at elists.isoc.org
> > [chapter-delegates-bounces at elists.isoc.org] en nombre de David Solomonoff
> > [president at isoc-ny.org]
> > Enviado el: martes, 03 de julio de 2012 11:57
> > Hasta: Chapter Delegates
> > Asunto: [Chapter-delegates] Has ISOC signed the Declaration of Internet
> > Freedom?
> >
> > Did I miss ISOC on the list of organizational signers?
> >
> > Declaration
> >
> > We stand for a free and open Internet.
> >
> > We support transparent and participatory processes for making Internet
> > policy and the establishment of five basic principles:
> >
> >     Expression: Don't censor the Internet.
> >     Access: Promote universal access to fast and affordable networks.
> >     Openness: Keep the Internet an open network where everyone is free to
> > connect, communicate, write, read, watch, speak, listen, learn, create and
> > innovate.
> >     Innovation: Protect the freedom to innovate and create without
> > permission. Don’t block new technologies, and don’t punish innovators for
> > their users' actions.
> >     Privacy: Protect privacy and defend everyone’s ability to control how
> > their data and devices are used.
> >
> > http://www.internetdeclaration.org/freedom (via shareaholic)
> >
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> -- 
> Best,
> Veni
> == Sent from my phone, so any spelling mistakes are caused by the touchscreen keyboard. That's a nice excuse, isn't it;-)
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