[Chapter-delegates] (no subject)
Zaid Ali
zaid at sfbayisoc.org
Mon Jan 30 00:37:17 PST 2012
Alejandro, RBL's work pretty well and I still use it today. I can assure you
they are not a concrete wall. It is still managed by the Internet community
in general, the problem is that Spam is a growing problem everyday. The
dynamics of spam has also changed, you can buy a Bot-Net in the market to
send unsolicited emails via millions of compromised computers. If you follow
the Mariposa Bot-Net story it is quite interesting. I have personally
evaluated a number of Anti-Spam clients (network appliances) and I can tell
you that they do work pretty well, there is just a lot of crud out there and
its growing everyday.
If you are looking for ISP best practice I suggest you go visit MAAWG
www.maawg.org, they have done some really good work bringing the mail
provider and sender community together. I used to be a regular in this
community but I have other obligations now. You will find Franck Martin
there since he is more heavily involved with MAAWG.
ISOC should form alliance with MAAWG.
Zaid
From: "Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch" <apisan at unam.mx>
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 02:50:20 +0000
To: Fred Baker <fred at cisco.com>, Christian de Larrinaga
<cdel at firsthand.net>
Cc: Chapter Delegates <chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>
Subject: Re: [Chapter-delegates] (no subject)
Fred,
thanks for the comment on Yahoo! non-response to some types of abuse.
The use of Yahoo-groups as well as Google groups for spam is quite amazing
and particularly insidious. They are well crafted to be hard to fight.
Equally complicated to deal with is the situation our colleague Maheeshwara
Kirindigoda from ISOC Sri Lanka describes.
I'd like to add one set of horrible cases: anti-spam. Antispam providers can
be as bad as spammers in some senses. Their offerings are designed to please
their clients, and have become harder and harder to reach for those of us
who find our email blocked by them as false positives (i.e. non-spam, not
even for the chapters mailing lists which are a common problem, but for
individual emails.) Gone are the days of the open RBLs where you could check
if your servers were blacklisted and clear their names somehow. They are now
a concrete wall.
Anyways... not mouch new, esp. for ISOC. We have to continue to act in a
complex world in which a global infrastructure is owned and operated largely
by private companies who in turn are driven by profit and their
owners/shareholders and subject to national laws and policies.
Many of the ways to keep them away from extreme evil are regulation and
self-regulation. Best practices, alignment of incentives, and citizen and
consumer pressure are the most we usually have.
And that's where we ISOC chapters, with all our members, can contribute. So,
if someone can share a code of ISP best practice with Maheeshwara, for
example, we will be helping a lot with our limited resources.
To your point, Maheeshwara, may I mention that an ISOC Mexico member, Leon
Felipe Sanchez (who is in this list and will be our delegate for the INET)
has crafted a law initiative on the rights of Internet users. There is some
debate about the approach, but it has been adopted as his own by a prominent
and very Internet savvy and friendly Senator. Maybe Leon Felipe can tell you
more about it and whether it applies to your case.
IF, big IF, that case is not just a commercial matter, of course.
The name-and-shame approach you propose, Maheeshwara, looks to me hard to
scale globally but something one can try locally. A chapter that goes this
way must be careful not to engage powerful enemies in a battle that cannot
be won, particularly if you start from shaky grounds (an example would be
that the provider can say or even prove you have not made your payments in
time, or otherwise fail to have strong grounds for your complaint.)
Yours,
Alejandro Pisanty
Yours,
Alejandro Pisanty
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Dr. Alejandro Pisanty
UNAM, Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico
Tels. +52-(1)-55-5105-6044, +52-(1)-55-5418-3732
*Mi blog/My blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com
*LinkedIn profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty
*Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn,
http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614
*Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty
---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org
Participa en ICANN, http://www.icann.org
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Desde: chapter-delegates-bounces at elists.isoc.org
[chapter-delegates-bounces at elists.isoc.org] en nombre de Fred Baker
[fred at cisco.com]
Enviado el: domingo, 29 de enero de 2012 20:11
Hasta: Christian de Larrinaga
CC: Chapter Delegates
Asunto: Re: [Chapter-delegates] (no subject)
On Jan 29, 2012, at 2:21 AM, Christian de Larrinaga wrote:
> I've seen an increase in the number of hacked yahoo accounts spamming to their
> address books recently. I've found the best response is to write to the
> account holder using another email address if you have one to check. Where
> that person is not able to take the matter up with Yahoo directly.
>
> There is a form hidden away in the Yahoo site you can report abuse problems.
> They have responded positively within a few days in all cases I've been
> involved with.
I have yet to get a response of any kind from yahoo on any abuse problems. I
periodically get told that someone has added me to a yahoo alias, clearly
for the purpose of spam delivery. I reply negatively, and as yahoo suggests,
report the abuse. Since I don't have a yahoo address, there are some parts
of the abuse that don't work, but per the web site even with a non-yahoo
address I should be able to direct them to not add me to any alias - and
that's not working.
> Christian
>
> On 29 Jan 2012, at 08:01, Rudi Vansnick wrote:
>
>> Indeed Charles is member of the ISOC Liberia board. I know him very well. His
>> Yahoo account is most probably hacked ... I've received other spammails from
>> his emailaccount. I will inform him .
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Rudi Vansnick
>> ‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹ Internet Society Belgium ‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹
>> President - CEO Tel +32/(0)9/329.39.16
>> rudi.vansnick at isoc.be Mobile +32/(0)475/28.16.32
>> Dendermondesteenweg 143 B-9070 Destelbergen BELGIUM
>> www.internetsociety.be <http://www.internetsociety.be/> "The Internet
>> is for everyone"
>> ‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹
>>
>> Op 29-jan-2012, om 01:52 heeft Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch het volgende
>> geschreven:
>>
>>> Eduardo,
>>>
>>> Charles is real. The email in question is presumably not deliberately from
>>> him.
>>>
>>> It's a reminder to keep a watchful eye open!!
>>>
>>> And we have to help Charles make sure it's not a bad sign which may lead to
>>> blocking his email until his computer is cleared of malware.
>>>
>>> Alejandro Pisanty
>>>
>>> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
>>> Dr. Alejandro Pisanty
>>> UNAM, Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico
>>>
>>> Tels. +52-(1)-55-5105-6044, +52-(1)-55-5418-3732
>>>
>>> *Mi blog/My blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com <http://pisanty.blogspot.com/>
>>> *LinkedIn profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty
>>> *Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn,
>>> http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614
>>> *Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty
>>> ---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org <http://www.isoc.org/>
>>> Participa en ICANN, http://www.icann.org <http://www.icann.org/>
>>> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
>>>
>>> Desde: chapter-delegates-bounces at elists.isoc.org
>>> [chapter-delegates-bounces at elists.isoc.org] en nombre de Eduardo Diaz
>>> [eduardodiazrivera at gmail.com]
>>> Enviado el: sábado, 28 de enero de 2012 17:32
>>> Hasta: Chapter Delegates
>>> Asunto: Re: [Chapter-delegates] (no subject)
>>>
>>> Is Charles Gaye for real? Can someone check please!!?
>>>
>>> -ed
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 6:57 PM, Joly MacFie <joly at punkcast.com> wrote:
>>>> SPAM!
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 4:35 PM, charles Gaye <charlesg1075 at yahoo.com>
>>>> wrote:
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