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Sun Jan 29 18:50:20 PST 2012

Fred,

thanks for the comment on Yahoo! non-response to some types of abuse.

The use of Yahoo-groups as well as Google groups for spam is quite amazing and particularly insidious. They are well crafted to be hard to fight.

Equally complicated to deal with is the situation our colleague Maheeshwara Kirindigoda from ISOC Sri Lanka describes.

I'd like to add one set of horrible cases: anti-spam. Antispam providers can be as bad as spammers in some senses. Their offerings are designed to please their clients, and have become harder and harder to reach for those of us who find our email blocked by them as false positives (i.e. non-spam, not even for the chapters mailing lists which are a common problem, but for individual emails.) Gone are the days of the open RBLs where you could check if your servers were blacklisted and clear their names somehow. They are now a concrete wall.

Anyways... not mouch new, esp. for ISOC. We have to continue to act in a complex world in which a global infrastructure is owned and operated largely by private companies who in turn are driven by profit and their owners/shareholders and subject to national laws and policies.

Many of the ways to keep them away from extreme evil are regulation and self-regulation. Best practices, alignment of incentives, and citizen and consumer pressure are the most we usually have.

And that's where we ISOC chapters, with all our members, can contribute. So, if someone can share a code of ISP best practice with Maheeshwara, for example, we will be helping a lot with our limited resources.

To your point, Maheeshwara, may I mention that an ISOC Mexico member, Leon Felipe Sanchez (who is in this list and will be our delegate for the INET) has crafted a law initiative on the rights of Internet users. There is some debate about the approach, but it has been adopted as his own by a prominent and very Internet savvy and friendly Senator. Maybe Leon Felipe can tell you more about it and whether it applies to your case.

IF, big IF, that case is not just a commercial matter, of course.

The name-and-shame approach you propose, Maheeshwara, looks to me hard to scale globally but something one can try locally. A chapter that goes this way must be careful not to engage powerful enemies in a battle that cannot be won, particularly if you start from shaky grounds (an example would be that the provider can say or even prove you have not made your payments in time, or otherwise fail to have strong grounds for your complaint.)

Yours,

Alejandro Pisanty

Yours,

Alejandro Pisanty

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Desde: chapter-delegates-bounces at elists.isoc.org [chapter-delegates-bounces at elists.isoc.org] en nombre de Fred Baker [fred at cisco.com]
Enviado el: domingo, 29 de enero de 2012 20:11
Hasta: Christian de Larrinaga
CC: Chapter Delegates
Asunto: Re: [Chapter-delegates] (no subject)

On Jan 29, 2012, at 2:21 AM, Christian de Larrinaga wrote:

I've seen an increase in the number of hacked yahoo accounts spamming to their address books recently. I've found the best response is to write to the account holder using another email address if you have one to check. Where that person is not able to take the matter up with Yahoo directly.

There is a form hidden away in the Yahoo site you can report abuse problems. They have responded positively within a few days in all cases I've been involved with.

I have yet to get a response of any kind from yahoo on any abuse problems. I periodically get told that someone has added me to a yahoo alias, clearly for the purpose of spam delivery. I reply negatively, and as yahoo suggests, report the abuse. Since I don't have a yahoo address, there are some parts of the abuse that don't work, but per the web site even with a non-yahoo address I should be able to direct them to not add me to any alias - and that's not working.

Christian

On 29 Jan 2012, at 08:01, Rudi Vansnick wrote:

Indeed Charles is member of the ISOC Liberia board. I know him very well. His Yahoo account is most probably hacked ... I've received other spammails from his emailaccount. I will inform him .

Best regards,

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Op 29-jan-2012, om 01:52 heeft Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch het volgende geschreven:

Eduardo,

Charles is real. The email in question is presumably not deliberately from him.

It's a reminder to keep a watchful eye open!!

And we have to help Charles make sure it's not a bad sign which may lead to blocking his email until his computer is cleared of malware.

Alejandro Pisanty

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     Dr. Alejandro Pisanty
UNAM, Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico

Tels. +52-(1)-55-5105-6044, +52-(1)-55-5418-3732

*Mi blog/My blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com<http://pisanty.blogspot.com/>
*LinkedIn profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty
*Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614
*Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty
---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org<http://www.isoc.org/>
 Participa en ICANN, http://www.icann.org<http://www.icann.org/>
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Desde: chapter-delegates-bounces at elists.isoc.org<mailto:chapter-delegates-bounces at elists.isoc.org> [chapter-delegates-bounces at elists.isoc.org] en nombre de Eduardo Diaz [eduardodiazrivera at gmail.com]
Enviado el: sábado, 28 de enero de 2012 17:32
Hasta: Chapter Delegates
Asunto: Re: [Chapter-delegates] (no subject)

Is Charles Gaye for real? Can someone check please!!?

-ed

On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 6:57 PM, Joly MacFie <joly at punkcast.com<mailto:joly at punkcast.com>> wrote:
SPAM!

On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 4:35 PM, charles Gaye <charlesg1075 at yahoo.com<mailto:charlesg1075 at yahoo.com>> wrote:
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