[Chapter-delegates] INET registration

[Eduardo Diaz]

On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 11:57 PM, Sivasubramanian M <isolatedn at gmail.com>wrote:

> Dear Eduardo Diaz,
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 7:25 PM, Eduardo Diaz <eduardodiazrivera at gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>> Presently, I believe that entrance to *ALL* INET activities should be
>> free for all ISOC members. Chapter members continuously invest lots of
>> volunteer hours to support ISOC's mission around the world.
>>
>
>
> Voluntary hours spent by ISOC Chapter Members and Leaders? Are you talking
> about the work done by ISOC Chapter Leaders and Members voluntarily, (which
> is more often than not) of a quality and value equal to and excess of the
> work done by Staff whose time is expensively compensated?  Do you think the
> volunteer time of ISOC Chapter Members and Leaders deserves a bit of value
> and some respect?
>

Yes, I believe that volunteer time by ISOC Chapter and Members should
deserve a bit of value. At least free entrance to all activities for events
like the one happening this year.

-ed


> There is a contrary belief that Chapter Members and Delegates should
> rather be grateful to a staff program director for the hotel room arranged
> to attend the program. The cost of the hotel room is considered way high
> above the value of the day of the Chapter Leader's time.
>
> Also, voluntary hours are inferior to staff hours, because voluntary hours
> are zero cost while staff hours could range between $100,000 - $250,000.
>
> ( An example situation:  If a Program Director flies down to your country
> to attend a program, you should show 'respect' by not taking even half a
> day off, of a ten-seater staff-designed session during a three day program,
> irrespective of the fact that your reasons may be compelling. If you ever
> do that could be insultingly asked to pay back the proportionate cost of
> your stay. This could be new to ISOC, ISOC is importing commendable
> practices of Volunteer (mis)management from Losotho)
>
> Don't you think it makes sense?
>
> Ted Mooney should be in a position to enlighten you.
>
> ( I could elaborate in private, rather than in this open list, as it adds
> to the insult to talk about an insult suffered.)
>
> Sivasubramanian M
>
>
>> Should this be taken into consideration? What you all think?
>>
>> -ed
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 7:30 AM, Veni Markovski <veni at veni.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Marcin, in 2001 ISOC was an almost bankrupt organization. Today it has
>>> millions of dollars, which it can't spend, and has increased the staff tens
>>> of times, compared to 2001. Let's not compare expenses, but income.
>>>
>>> veni
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1/13/2012 06:17, Marcin Cieslak wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 13 Jan 2012, Veni Markovski wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  ISOC could and should do much better, ESPECIALLY for its members. With
>>>>> a
>>>>> budget in the tens of millions of USD, it just doesn't make sense to
>>>>> charge
>>>>> for participation. Tell me that the participation fee is not because
>>>>> the
>>>>> management of the conference is being done outside of ISOC?
>>>>>
>>>> When we met last time in Stockholm in 2001 the price was $499 for ISOC
>>>> members,
>>>> which makes it 580 of today's Swiss Francs! So you get two gala dinners
>>>> included now for that price! It's a bargain! :)
>>>>
>>>> I sneaked in for free as a volunteer and this was my first contact with
>>>> a global Internet community.
>>>>
>>>> //Marcin
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