[Chapter-delegates] [Bod] The Internet and Human Rights

[Eric Burger]

Are you suggesting that ISOC provide aid and assistance to law enforcement? In this case, the U.S. government is posting its information for everyone to see, including Occupy Wall Street "members." Are you suggesting we should tell the U.S. government to be less transparent? 

I would offer that ISOC as a whole must not get directly involved with such a move, as one country's law enforcement is often another country's repressive regime. We cannot side with one government over another.

While ISOC as a whole should not get involved with such a case, I would offer it may be appropriate for local Chapters to get involved with incidents of interest, and ask for global help as needed.

As for this incident, would the consensus at ISOC-NY be to help the local police monitor Internet traffic and try to help prevent violent confrontation, or for ISOC-NY to help the protesters securely communicate their plans so as to be invisible to the local police? Could ISOC-NY come to a consensus?


On Sep 26, 2011, at 12:04 PM, Tricia Drakes wrote:

> Dear Joly
>  
> I agree that the NYC?NYPD issue raised by David is very different from the issue of Freedom of Expression on the Internet.
>  
> However, colleagues may be interested in the background to the NY "operation" ... and I believe it raises much broader issues including Security.
>  
> The following Announcment was issued at the beginning of September 2011, and I believe cirulated widely within security groups.  (including the Internet Security Alliance of which I think ISOC is a member). 
>  
> http://netforum.avectra.com/public/DocumentGenerate.aspx?wbn_key=d648036c-2b30-40db-876e-a1effc672026.pdf
> 
>  
> "Operation Wall Street" was just one of the matters covered in the Announcement. 
>  
> In relation to "Operation Wall Street", the Announcement indicated that plans were emerging for similar protests including in London, Paris, Madrid, Milan and San Francisco.  The "operation" was also indicated to last for "a few months".
>  
> There have been many press reports since 17 September 2011 when "Operation Wall Street" started.  (Put "Operation Wall Street" in Google search ... and you will see for yourself!)
> 
> Below are links to examples of reports in British press:
> 
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/sep/19/occupy-wall-street-financial-system 19 September 2011
> 
> http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/hundreds-march-in-protest-against-wall-street-greed-2361053.html 26 September 2011
> 
> In relation to the other matters covered in the Announcement (which perhaps have more relevance generally for us), and assuming that ISOC receives such announcments, perhaps an "early warning system" for Chapters and others might be worth considering.  (Apologies if I have missed this  ... and it is already being dealt with elsewhere in ISOC Communications).
> 
> Kind regards
> 
> Tricia Drakes 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Joly MacFie
> To: Chapter Delegates
> Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 5:47 AM
> Subject: Re: [Chapter-delegates] [Bod] The Internet and Human Rights
> 
> With respect, David, how the NYPD treat street protesters is a totally different kettle of fish to Freedom of Expression on the Internet, and the establishment of an Expert Panel to study same.
> 
> Markus, it's not clear how the multi-stakeholder panelists might be selected. I look forward to hearing more. Also, is this an International effort or just for Sweden?
> 
> Cynthia, are there other precedents in the UDHR of provisions for the disabled?
> 
> j
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> On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 9:51 PM, David Solomonoff <president at isoc-ny.org> wrote:
> Forwarding the discussion of the global Internet Society's stance on human rights re: NYC Wall Street protests to various friends:
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