[Chapter-delegates] ITU, ICANN and Internet Governance

Mon Oct 11 12:54:48 PDT 2010

When a business firm called Microsoft was growing a Government found it
necessary to consider anti trust proceedings.  The ITU is a Government +
Business union a thousand times or far more as huge as what Microsoft was at
the time of the anti-trust.  So why are we not calling for International
anti trust proceedings against this mammoth union, which is largely
inappropriate?

Sivasubramanian M

On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 1:14 AM, Sivasubramanian M <isolatedn at gmail.com>wrote:

> Dear Alejandro,
>
> On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 12:41 AM, Alejandro Pisanty <
> apisan at servidor.unam.mx> wrote:
>
>> Siva,
>>
>> I think Grigori points further out to a flaw in your original argument,
>> which many of us have chosen not to comment yet.
>>
>> The political agendas of many governments who want the ITU to have an
>> upper hand in Internet Governance, and the IGF to be a forum to legitimize
>> government intervention and control ever further, are not determined by the
>> telcos. They are purely politically motivated.
>>
>
> Thanks for your comments again.
>
> So it is convenient for Governments to use the ITU forum where they
> willingly work together with Telecoms, understandably with an unseen upper
> hand over the business members, to achieve political control over all
> communications ?  What I wrote was on the aspects of the Telecoms taking
> commercial advantage of the union. It is more true that many Governments
> take political advantage of the union.
>
> In the brief paragraph on the ITU game plan on Security I said that the ITU
> Security agenda suits both the Governments and business members. I should
> have said this in the broader context - the union is mutual.
>
> Even if brings mutual benefits, the call for separation is valid. What you
> call the flaw is that the article does not indicate that the Governments are
> quite comfortable in the ITU setting ?
>
> This union is not required. It is not right. Sooner or later financial
> power will prevail over political power (it already prevails to a large
> extent) and Government policies will be more to the comfort of the Telecom
> businesses.
>
> I agree that it is a complex relationship, not just a relationship of
> business taking undue advantage of inner proximity to Government.
>
> Sivasubramanian M
>
>
>>
>> You do mention that telcos, carriers, and ISPs and equipment providers are
>> providing capacities which governments and other powers want (DPI comes to
>> mind, as does traceback.)
>>
>> Your fellow countryman Pavan Duggal famously said in the 2008 IGF in
>> Hyderabad, "governments like to listen; electronic interception is the norm
>> of the day."
>>
>> The full quote is "Another historical aspect that we need to consider is
>> the fact that in these parts of the world, governments like to listen.  If
>> governments want to listen, electronic interception is the norm of the day."
>> Find it in
>> http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/hyderabad_prog/Open%20Dialogue.html
>>
>> Lots going on in the world (including the US) revolves around these
>> intentions. There is a lot of forum shopping in search of legitimation. The
>> ITU environment does have some traditions with which it may resonate.
>>
>> Yours,
>>
>>
>> Alejandro Pisanty
>>
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>>
>>
>> On Tue, 12 Oct 2010, Sivasubramanian M wrote:
>>
>>  Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 00:30:17 +0530
>>>
>>> From: Sivasubramanian M <isolatedn at gmail.com>
>>> To: Grigori Saghyan <gregor at arminco.com>
>>> Cc: chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Chapter-delegates] ITU, ICANN and Internet Governance
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear Grigori Saghyan
>>>
>>> Thank you for your comments.
>>>
>>> Your observation about the main focus of some countries is a very valid
>>> observation.  Telecoms have, wittingly or unwittingly, signed into
>>> Government policies, and in some countries they work closely with
>>> Governments.  It is difficult for them to protest or resist Government
>>> directives, for e.g a public or secret directive to enable easy wire
>>> tapping
>>> or decryption. Some submit to content regulation policies willingly and
>>> easily, while most others find it hard to challenge them.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sivasubramanian M
>>> http://turiya.co.in
>>>
>>> http://www.isocmadras.com
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 10:53 PM, Grigori Saghyan <gregor at arminco.com
>>> >wrote:
>>>
>>>   Dear Mr. Sivasubramanianm
>>>> very interesting article, but I think the main focus of Russia, China,
>>>> Iran, Syria is not the business case. Content regulation is  the
>>>> keyword.
>>>> Telecoms in general   are
>>>> content  indifferent, but I agree, that in order to keep their position
>>>> on
>>>> the market they are ready to support any government initiative.
>>>> Grigori Saghyan
>>>> ISOC.AM
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 09.10.2010 22:11, Sivasubramanian M wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hello
>>>>
>>>>  At Guadalajara, Mexico this week, in the policy debate kicked off by
>>>> the
>>>> ITU, Russian Federation's Minister of Communications proposed that the
>>>> ITU
>>>> should give itself veto power over ICANN decisions. This proposal by the
>>>> Regional Commonwealth in the field of Communications (RCC) calls for the
>>>> ICANN Governmental Advisory Committee (GAC) to be scrapped and replaced
>>>> by
>>>> an ITU group.
>>>>
>>>>  I wrote an article about it, on CircleID
>>>>
>>>> http://www.circleid.com/posts/on_the_need_to_separate_the_telecom_business_agenda_from_government_policy/
>>>>
>>>>  May I request your comments on this?
>>>>
>>>> Sivasubramanian M
>>>> http://turiya.co.in
>>>>
>>>> http://www.isocmadras.com
>>>> facebook: http://is.gd/x8Sh
>>>> LinkedIn: http://is.gd/x8U6
>>>> Twitter: http://is.gd/x8Vz
>>>>
>>>>
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