[Chapter-delegates] ITU, ICANN and Internet Governance

[Alejandro Pisanty]

Siva,

I think Grigori points further out to a flaw in your original argument, 
which many of us have chosen not to comment yet.

The political agendas of many governments who want the ITU to have an 
upper hand in Internet Governance, and the IGF to be a forum to legitimize 
government intervention and control ever further, are not determined by 
the telcos. They are purely politically motivated.

You do mention that telcos, carriers, and ISPs and equipment providers 
are providing capacities which governments and other powers want (DPI 
comes to mind, as does traceback.)

Your fellow countryman Pavan Duggal famously said in the 2008 IGF in 
Hyderabad, "governments like to listen; electronic interception is the 
norm of the day."

The full quote is "Another historical aspect that we need to consider is 
the fact that in these parts of the world, governments like to listen.  If 
governments want to listen, electronic interception is the norm of the 
day." Find it in 
http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/hyderabad_prog/Open%20Dialogue.html

Lots going on in the world (including the US) revolves around these 
intentions. There is a lot of forum shopping in search of legitimation. 
The ITU environment does have some traditions with which it may resonate.

Yours,

Alejandro Pisanty

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On Tue, 12 Oct 2010, Sivasubramanian M wrote:

> Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 00:30:17 +0530
> From: Sivasubramanian M <isolatedn at gmail.com>
> To: Grigori Saghyan <gregor at arminco.com>
> Cc: chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org
> Subject: Re: [Chapter-delegates] ITU, ICANN and Internet Governance
> 
> Dear Grigori Saghyan
>
> Thank you for your comments.
>
> Your observation about the main focus of some countries is a very valid
> observation.  Telecoms have, wittingly or unwittingly, signed into
> Government policies, and in some countries they work closely with
> Governments.  It is difficult for them to protest or resist Government
> directives, for e.g a public or secret directive to enable easy wire tapping
> or decryption. Some submit to content regulation policies willingly and
> easily, while most others find it hard to challenge them.
>
>
> Sivasubramanian M
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> On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 10:53 PM, Grigori Saghyan <gregor at arminco.com>wrote:
>
>>  Dear Mr. Sivasubramanianm
>> very interesting article, but I think the main focus of Russia, China,
>> Iran, Syria is not the business case. Content regulation is  the keyword.
>> Telecoms in general   are
>> content  indifferent, but I agree, that in order to keep their position on
>> the market they are ready to support any government initiative.
>> Grigori Saghyan
>> ISOC.AM
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 09.10.2010 22:11, Sivasubramanian M wrote:
>>
>> Hello
>>
>>  At Guadalajara, Mexico this week, in the policy debate kicked off by the
>> ITU, Russian Federation's Minister of Communications proposed that the ITU
>> should give itself veto power over ICANN decisions. This proposal by the
>> Regional Commonwealth in the field of Communications (RCC) calls for the
>> ICANN Governmental Advisory Committee (GAC) to be scrapped and replaced by
>> an ITU group.
>>
>>  I wrote an article about it, on CircleID
>> http://www.circleid.com/posts/on_the_need_to_separate_the_telecom_business_agenda_from_government_policy/
>>
>>  May I request your comments on this?
>>
>> Sivasubramanian M
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