[Chapter-delegates] [?? Probable Spam] [SEEKING VIEWS] ISOC contribution to ICANNdocument on Affirmation Reviews

[Alejandro Pisanty]

Norbert,

I am sorry that you come out offended by my note. I should have mentioned 
that I do consider there are notable exceptions in the NCUC, and in 
particular in its steering group. Some brave souls like yourself have 
continued to strive in general for a more democratic functioning of that 
community.

I stand by my assertion that by and large it has been damaged and even 
obliterated at times by a small group which managed to establish a set of 
skewed bylaws, an artificial order of priorities, a bully pulpit, 
unnecessary turf wars, a separation from 
a set of vital issues, and a narrow agenda which has little 
interest for many more organizations with the Internet at heart than 
actually function properly within its framework.

We should constructively look forward and make sure that the 
accountability everyone demands from ICANN be equally clear for the NCUC 
and that the problems from its history do not seep into other user 
representation structures.

Now back to the main channel: contributions to the document in response to 
Bill Graham's call, right?

Yours,

Alejandro Pisanty

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On Mon, 1 Feb 2010, Norbert Klein wrote:

> Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 08:08:37 +0700
> From: Norbert Klein <nhklein at gmx.net>
> To: Alejandro Pisanty <apisan at servidor.unam.mx>
> Cc: Louis Houle <Louis.Houle at oricom.ca>,
>     Chapter Delegates <chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>,
>     ISOC Chapter Support <chapter-support at isoc.org>,
>     Executive Team <exec-team at elists.isoc.org>
> Subject: Re: [Chapter-delegates] [?? Probable Spam] [SEEKING VIEWS] ISOC
>     contribution to ICANNdocument on Affirmation Reviews
> 
> Dear Alejandro, old friend,
>
> I am sorry to be accused here in a way which I think is inappropriate
> and without basis in fact. I refer only to the one section of your
> mailing which I leave here:
>
> Alejandro Pisanty wrote:
>
>> Further we have to contribute to design a process and then, more
>> importantly, define candidates, that ensure that we will not start a
>> new cycle of a clique investing itself with a spurious public-interest
>> cloak and perpetuating its blockage of representation, as has happened
>> largely in the Non-Commercial constituency for many years.
> I was and I am part of the non-commercial constituency in its different
> forms since 1999 - over these 10 years in different roles, as member,
> then as an executive committee member, then as a delegated GNSO
> councilor, and at present as a member of the ICANN Nominating Committee.
> And I can remember, over the years when we always had a much more open
> mailing list than several other ICANN constituencies and groupings, only
> two periods when there was a critical discussion which could be related
> with what you call "blockage of representation":
>
> One was in the early years, when a local sports club, as a member of the
> non-commercial constituency of ICANN, was very often the only, but
> dissenting voice in discussions on our ICANN policy considerations,
> where the majority of those participating in the discussions on the list
> were concerned with policy, and not only with procedures. In one of the
> ICANN meetings where I tried to clarify related problems, referring also
> to our situation in Cambodia, I was told "I do not discuss with people
> like you."
>
> The second case, where there was a disagreement between one member and
> the vast majority was more recently, when one organization with
> membership in one country only tried to shape some globally based policy
> lines. Again, it was not a "spurious public interest cloak" but the
> whole membership which did vote on related issues.
>
> Having been involved myself directly over the years, I cannot but regret
> that an image is projected which is quite contrary to our aims which I
> shared, an image which is not based on fact. I had to write this,
> immediately and without any consultation with anybody, when I saw your
> mail. It hurts.
>
> With my best greetings, as ever,
>
>
> Norbert
>
> =
>
> Norbert Klein
> Associate
> Open Institute
> Phnom Penh/Cambodia
>
>
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