[Chapter-delegates] PIR and wikileaks.ORG

[Sivasubramanian M]

Perhaps ISOC/PIR could set a precedent for all Registries by recommending
policies in tune with the Internet Model for all .ORG Registries. The brief
statement from PIR sounds very detached.  Rather than suggest that Registrar
be contacted, PIR could actually ask the Registrar what happened.

The overt reason is a DDOS attack. Did it happen? If so what was the
intensity of the attack? Was the attack so threatening that the domain HAD
to be taken down? Even if the attack was so threatening, was take down the
only option available? If there a possibility that the queries for the
domain name could be deflected to some other DNS rather than the Registrars?

If there is reasonable room to believe that the DDOS attack cited isn't
really the reason, PIR should ask itself if it approves of such a take down
policy. I don't feel that PIR should approve of actions such as this, under
Government or any other pressure.

Perhaps PIR should make a 'statement' by letting the Registrar know that as
a Registry it does not approve of domain take down.



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On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 10:05 PM, Franck Martin <franck at avonsys.com> wrote:

> An interesting thread to augment the discussion:
>
>
> http://rxaffiliateforum.com/showthread.php?5913-Safe-Pharma-Domain-Registrar
>
> As you may now, ENOM has decided to remove all domains that sells "drugs"
> which are not affiliated to licensed drug shops.
>
> There are a few registrar that specialize in domain hosting of questionable
> activities. This is an area that ICANN is most uncomfortable to handle, even
> if it is not providing the right tools to the community (like a proper
> whois).
>
>
> Franck Martin
> http://www.avonsys.com/
> http://www.facebook.com/Avonsys
> twitter: FranckMartin Avonsys
>
> Check your domain reputation: http://gurl.im/b69d4o
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Fred Baker" <fred at cisco.com>
> To: "Anya Chambers" <chambers at isoc.org>
> Cc: "Franck Martin" <franck at avonsys.com>,
> chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org
> Sent: Friday, 3 December, 2010 1:18:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [Chapter-delegates] PIR and wikileaks.ORG
>
>
> On Dec 3, 2010, at 2:39 PM, Anya Chambers wrote:
>
> > A ton of questions, that is in the realm of ISOC policy program. What's
> ISOC point of view while trying to stay away from the fight?
>
> First: thanks for asking the ISOC community the question.
>
> My view:
>
> Had a government organization served PIR or the registrar you mention with
> an everything-legal court order to take down a name, both of them being
> incorporated in the country that government runs, I think that they would be
> in violation of the local law had they not done so. That doesn't mean that
> there should not have been subsequent legal discussion; as I understand the
> relevant law, there are parties in the US that would *like* the ability to
> take down domain names under a bill (proposed law) called COICA, but there
> is not currently a law that authorizes such take-downs without due process.
>
> You indicate that what in fact happened was that a stated registrar took
> down the name as a defensive move in response to a ddos attack. I think such
> an action is understandable, but lamentable. They at least owe the domain
> name holder an explanation of what happened.
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