[Chapter-delegates] "Chapters support for Chapters"

[Norbert Klein]

Hi Rudi and Veni,

thanks for sharing your ideas about a "Chapters support for Chapters" -
I am so embarrassed that we did not yet move further in Cambodia,
because I had wrong ideas and expectations about ISOC.org having a kind
of "chapter starter kit" for new chapters in order to give practical
guidance and assistance so that new chapters could start in a similar
and coordinated way, considering an ISOC "corporate identity"; or even
assisting with hosting a web site during an initial phase (if this would
be helpful in some situations).

The idea of "Chapters support for Chapters" is encouraging. I look
forward to our discussions in Seoul.


Norbert Klein
ISOC Cambodia (founded - not yet operational)

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Veni Markovski wrote:
> Rudi,
> I agree with you.
> The facts as they are today (and have been in the past quite a few
> years) are showing a missing link in the chain isoc.org - isoc
> chapters.
> The frustration that many have expressed is still there, regardless of
> the efforts of ISOC staff.
> I think that a little modesty may serve  ISOC.org better. ISOC.org
> should not fear the chapters. We, chapters, have quite a good level of
> knowledge, which could serve ISOC.org. But if they don't want it, that
> will not the chapters look bad. In this dialogue the chapters have
> nothing to lose, because the local, national policies are not in the
> sphere of interests of ISOC.org.
>
> ISOC-Reston is thinking globally and acting globally. The chapters are
> different. But the chapters can exist without ISOC, while I might
> argue if ISOC.org would be as strong without the chapters.
>
> It is amazing to read that - despite all the history - the chapters
> are still willing to help ISOC.org. But is it amazing that ISOC.org
> sees no need of help?
>
>
> Veni
>
> Best,
> Veni
>
> On 10/10/09, Rudi Vansnick <rudi.vansnick at isoc.be> wrote:
>   
>> Dear Anne,
>> Dear all,
>>
>> In answer to your question about more details on "Chapters support for
>> Chapters" I want to point back to what happened in India frist of all.
>> Secondly, as I already proposed several times the last 3 years, I
>> herewith propose again the idea of having chapter delegates who are
>> (very) active in their chapter and have a good visibility to the
>> community, to go abroad helping starting or "sleeping" chapters with
>> some hands-on projects and activities. Today, and this for several years
>> already, initiatives are always coming top-down while I'm convinced, and
>> I'm not alone I suppose, we need more and more bottom-up processes. I
>> don't say ISOC staff is not doing good work, but as in many corporations
>> often the best productive sites and having the best results are
>> affiliates steered by colleagues and not by HQ staff or HQ board
>> members. For instance, each chapter has its own way of action as it very
>> often react to the local situation and local requirements. Culture being
>> a very important aspect, language and politics certainly following very
>> closely.
>>
>> That's why I want to launch the proposal of having a ""Chapters support
>> for Chapters" working group first in order to establish the criteria for
>> further deployment of a constituency . More details about the mission
>> and functions will follow, I need a bit more time to write this down.
>>
>> In regards the handbook I would like to know from colleague
>> chapter-leaders/delegates their perception of :
>> - clarity of the wiki on the Chapter handbook;
>> - do they know which docs are linked/used in this phase ? and can they
>> find them ?
>> - what is the added value today to their chapter ?
>>
>> I'm willing to collaborate but it looks to me very difficult to have a
>> view on who and what has already been accomplished as in the wiki it's a
>> status quo for months. Perhaps it's my fault and it's up to me to get on
>> track ... but however newcomers would probably suffer from the same problem.
>>
>> Hope I have not been to critical, still I tried to measure my wording
>> and want to keep every possibility open for a constructive talk after
>> the years I've been asking for some approval of above mentioned idea and
>> offer. For me Seoul will be the place to make for myself also a final
>> decision on what I will share and what i'll keep for myself. All depends
>> on the spirit of the group ...
>>
>> Best regards and have a nice weekend,
>>
>> Rudi Vansnick
>> President Internet Society Belgium vzw
>> Voorzitter TIK vzw
>> Board member EURALO (ALAC - ICANN)
>>
>>     

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