[Chapter-delegates] Application to form a Chapter in Bangalore, India

Thu Oct 8 21:46:48 PDT 2009

Veni, Franck, Shiva and others,

Many thanks for your contributions to this discussion. Rudi - I want  
to reply to you separately (which follows on from Veni's important  
point about helping each other, which I strongly support).  Shiva  
following the online meeting with Sabrina and Rajnesh yesterday, we  
will reply to your posting separately.

I'll answer some specific points below with some specific answers.  To  
Franck's general points:

>>>   1) ISOC HQ should direct members first to existing chapters

Yes agreed. This *is* standard procedure.  As I explained previously  
we omitted this step and it was not intentional. Please accept our  
apologies for this.

>>>    2) if ISOC members are willing to create a new chapter, then they
>>>    should get as much as possible the blessing of existing near by
>>>    chapters especially when the proposed chapter is in the area of a
>>>    previously chartered chapter.

Yes agreed.  We are absolutely not interested to set up a conflicting  
situation between Chapters. That serves no-one.  For clarification,  
the current policy places no restriction on how many Chapters can be  
created:

from:  http://www.isoc.org/isoc/chapters/policy/
"Chapters may be established on a non-exclusive basis to serve the  
needs of any specific, cohesive community of interest. Multiple  
Chapters serving overlapping communities are not permitted."

The important point here is that the scope of the proposed Chapter  
must be sufficiently differentiated and not overlapping.  We will (and  
do) work with both parties to ensure that is not the case.

I hope this explains some of our general procedures. As I said before  
we are working to revise the procedures and improve our current policy  
framework, so I will be reaching out to many of those that have posted  
and have an interest on this topic for help with this particular piece  
of work.

Best wishes
Anne
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On 09/10/2009, at 5:48 AM, Veni Markovski wrote:

> I share Franck's notes, and having the Bulgarian chapter in situations
> with ISOC.org in the past, I feel Shiva may need more support from the
> rest of us, while keeping the options for new chapters in India open.
> After all, it is important to at least try to build good relations not
> only between ISOC.org and the chapters but also between the chapters
> in any given country.
>
> Veni
>
>
> On 10/8/09, Sabrina Wilmot <wilmot at isoc.org> wrote:
>> Shiva,
>>
>> We will address your points below in our meeting with you scheduled
>> today and will send the outcome later to the list.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>       Sabrina Wilmot
>>       Manager, Chapters & Individual Members
>>       Internet Society (ISOC)   www.isoc.org
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
>> On 10/8/2009 4:13 AM, Sivasubramanian Muthusamy wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> In the list of members for the proposed Bangalore chapter the  
>>> members'
>>> organizational affiliations are not shown. Only one of the  
>>> proposers has
>>> identified himself as from Oracle India Business Center (which now
>>> includes Sun Microsystems?)
>>>
>>> The proposal for the Bangalore chapter is to cover the  
>>> geographical area
>>> "which includes (but is not limited to) Bangalore, Hyderabad, Pune,
>>> Mumbai, Goa and nearby areas" The chennai chapter is chartered to  
>>> cover
>>> the geographical regions of Tamilnadu (Chennai), Kerala, Andhra  
>>> Pradesh
>>> (Hyderabad) and Karnataka (Bangalore). The proposal for Bangalore  
>>> is to
>>> split away 75 out of our 120 members.
>>>
>>> Are we to become a chapter of 45 members from being a chapter of 120
>>> members? Are we to abandon all work being planned in Bangalore?  
>>> Should I
>>> go back to the chapter list to say that those from other regions  
>>> have to
>>> join the Bangalore chapter? (It wouldn't make sense if those from
>>> Bangalore continue with the Chennai chapter, if the Bangalore  
>>> proposal
>>> is approved.)
>>>
>>> It would have been a natural progression if we waited till there  
>>> is some
>>> more activity at Bangalore and proposed on our own a chapter in
>>> Bangalore for the convenience of those in Bangalore. Instead this
>>> application is received and being processed as if Bangalore is
>>> completely unrelated to the Chennai chapter.
>>>
>>> A chapter in Bangalore is a good idea. A chapter is Hyderabad is a  
>>> good
>>> idea. Rammohan of Affilias and Rajesh Aggarwal of ISOC Delhi have  
>>> said
>>> this and I agree. But ISOC Chennai already includes Bangalore and
>>> Hyderabad and why would anyone show an interest in altering the
>>> constitution of ISOC Chennai? This is not right.
>>>
>>> Sivasubramanian Muthusamy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 9:46 AM, Franck Martin <franck at avonsys.com
>>> <mailto:franck at avonsys.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>    I'm all for the creation of new chapters in India, but the whole
>>>    point of this discussion was that:
>>>
>>>    1) ISOC HQ should direct members first to existing chapters
>>>    2) if ISOC members are willing to create a new chapter, then they
>>>    should get as much as possible the blessing of existing near by
>>>    chapters especially when the proposed chapter is in the area of a
>>>    previously chartered chapter.
>>>
>>>
>>>    Franck Martin
>>>    http://www.avonsys.com/
>>>    twitter: FranckMartin <http://twitter.com/FranckMartin>
>>>
>>>
>>>    ----- Original Message -----
>>>    From: "Rajesh Aggarwal" <rajeshaggarwal.ias at gmail.com
>>>    <mailto:rajeshaggarwal.ias at gmail.com>>
>>>    To: "Anne Lord" <lord at isoc.org <mailto:lord at isoc.org>>
>>>    Cc: "Chapter Delegates" <chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org
>>>    <mailto:chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>>, "naresh ajwani"
>>>    <naresh.ajwani at sifycorp.com <mailto:naresh.ajwani at sifycorp.com>>,
>>>    chapter-support at isoc.org <mailto:chapter-support at isoc.org>
>>>    Sent: Saturday, 3 October, 2009 2:32:58 PM GMT +12:00 Fiji
>>>    Subject: Re: [Chapter-delegates] Application to form a Chapter in
>>>    Bangalore, India
>>>
>>>    Dear All,
>>>
>>>    I fully support Ram Mohan's remarks regarding the need to have a
>>>    separate chapter for Bangalore. When we revived Delhi Chapter  
>>> more
>>>    than a year ago, we had detailed discussions on this multiple
>>>    Chapters issue from people from many walks of life and different
>>>    cities. Consensus was that rather than forming a single All India
>>>    ISOC Chapter, we should encourage "different flowers to bloom"-  
>>> that
>>>    is, different Chapters in major Metros at least. I am sure that  
>>> you
>>>    will soon receive Applications from Hyderabad and Mumbai- all  
>>> of us
>>>    should encourage this rather than trying to throttle new ones  
>>> from
>>>    coming up.
>>>
>>>    Rajesh Aggarwal,
>>>    (earlier from NIXI, now moved on to new Assignment in Mumbai)
>>>
>>>
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