[Chapter-delegates] Application to form a Chapter in Bangalore, India

Rajesh Aggarwal rajeshaggarwal.ias at gmail.com
Fri Oct 2 19:32:58 PDT 2009 

Dear All,

I fully support Ram Mohan's remarks regarding the need to have a separate
chapter for Bangalore. When we revived Delhi Chapter more than a year ago,
we had detailed discussions on this multiple Chapters issue from people from
many walks of life and different cities. Consensus was that rather than
forming a single All India ISOC Chapter, we should encourage "different
flowers to bloom"- that is, different Chapters in major Metros at least. I
am sure that you will soon receive Applications from Hyderabad and Mumbai-
all of us should encourage this rather than trying to throttle new ones from
coming up.

Rajesh Aggarwal,
(earlier from NIXI, now moved on to new Assignment in Mumbai)







On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 8:36 PM, Sivasubramanian Muthusamy <
isolatedn at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello Anne, Sabrina,
>
> I have some final comments. Sabrina has stated that this thread is open for
> comments till 2nd October. Please extend this by four or five days.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 11:10 PM, Franck Martin <franck at avonsys.com>wrote:
>
>> +1
>>
>> Franck Martin
>> http://www.avonsys.com/
>> twitter: FranckMartin <http://twitter.com/FranckMartin>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ram Mohan" <rmohan at yahoo.com>
>> To: "Anne Lord" <lord at isoc.org>
>> Cc: "Chapter Delegates" <chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>,
>> chapter-support at isoc.org
>> Sent: Wednesday, 30 September, 2009 2:27:09 AM GMT +12:00 Fiji
>> Subject: Re: [Chapter-delegates] Application to form a Chapter in
>> Bangalore, India
>>
>> Anne,
>> Thanks for this.  The one thing that I do feel kinship with Siva is that
>> he (as Chapter lead) did not get early notice on the Bangalore situation -
>> as you say below, that was an oversight, but it would probably cause me
>> heartburn if I was in the same situation.
>>
>> In any case, let's try to move forward - we learn from these; I'm
>> personally excited to see more chapters getting formed in India.
>>
>> -Ram
>>
>> Anne Lord wrote:
>>
>> Dear Colleagues,
>>  Thanks Ram, and everyone who has provided feedback on this application.
>> I have read all the emails and  have a few clarifications to make based on
>> current procedures and practice as well as offering some thoughts, first
>> about the general case and then about this particular application.
>>  Apologies for the length of this email.
>>
>>  1) Policies
>>
>>  The current policy at http://www.isoc.org/isoc/chapters/policy/ states
>> the following about the "scope" of Chapters in point 3:
>>
>>    "Chapters may be established on a non-exclusive basis to serve the
>> needs of any specific, cohesive community of interest. Multiple Chapters
>> serving overlapping communities are not permitted."
>>
>>  Chapters are established on a non-exclusive basis, and providing there
>> is a not an overlapping scope, Chapters can (and do) exist in the same area.
>> For example, there are 6 Chapters in Spain (a Madrid Chapter, a Spain
>> Chapter, a Galicia Chapter, an Aragonese Chapter, a Catalonia Chapter and an
>> Asturias Chapter).
>>
>>  It is probably useful to look at the purpose of Chapters. The policy is
>> sufficiently flexible to allow different formats of Chapters to exist and
>> co-exist (from which ISOC derives much of its strength):
>>
>>    "Chapters of the Internet Society are expected to serve the interests
>> of a segment of the global Internet community in a manner consistent with
>> the mission and principles of the Internet Society<http://www.isoc.org/isoc/mission/principles/>.
>>  Through a presence local to its community of interest, a Chapter focuses on
>> issues and developments important to its community. A Chapter recognizes,
>> honours, and uses the culture, customs, and language of its community. Every
>> Chapter shall have an explicit statement of purpose.
>>
>>  Clearly this needs to be interpreted with some sensitivity and no two
>> cases are alike but providing that needs are being met and the work and
>> mission of the Internet Society is being advanced in a meaningful way, city
>> based, regional and national Chapters can happily co-exist.
>>
>>  Finally, a member can become a member of any other Chapter as they
>> choose. No one Chapter has a "right" to a member.  An individual chooses the
>> one that matches their interests most closely.
>>
>> 2) Procedures
>>
>>  When we receive a Chapter application where there is already a Chapter
>> operating we attempt to direct the applicant to the existing Chapter as a
>> first response.
>>
>>  3) This application
>>
>>  For the reasons that Ram outlines, and based on other feedback in the
>> region, we feel that the proposed Chapter and the existing Chapter have a
>> sufficiently large population (5 million and 7 million respectively),
>> cultural identity and linguistic considerations to warrant separate
>> Chapters. However in this case, there was probably some oversight on our
>> part in notifying the Chennai Chapter earlier in the process for which we
>> apologise.  We will also take steps to ensure that the scope is sufficiently
>> different and will work with both groups to reach an agreement.
>>
>>  As a side note..I have indicated in earlier messages that an important
>> piece of work is to revise the Policy framework for Chapters. Some excellent
>>  preliminary work has already been done in the Sphere Labels group, and this
>> work will soon be developed further with the help of Peggy Hoffman to help
>> us build a revised policy framework for the "Chapter of the Future". If you
>> are interested in joining this discussion and helping out, please send email
>> to <chapter-support at isoc.org> to be added to the sphere-labels mailing
>> list. We will also be reaching out soon to reach individuals that help
>> reflect the diversity of the Chapters that make up the Internet Society.
>>
>>  As always, feedback and suggestions are very welcome on, or off list.
>>
>>  Best wishes,
>>
>>  Anne
>> --
>>
>>
>>   On 29/09/2009, at 8:54 AM, Ram Mohan wrote:
>>
>>  I support this application.  Chennai (pop. 7 million) and Bangalore
>> (pop. 5 million) are two large metros, and would potentially draw from
>> completely different sets of members.  A person from Bangalore would _not_
>> reasonably identify themselves as belonging to the "Chennai" region. The
>> main language spoken in Chennai (Tamil) is different from that spoken in
>> Bangalore (Kannada).  A little known fact might be that in pre-independent
>> India (pre 1947), these were separate kingdoms.
>>
>> ISOC would be well advised to take into consideration the cultural,
>> linguistic and political tinderbox by calling Bangalore a part of the
>> Chennai region.
>>
>> In North American terms, it would be the equivalent of trying to say that
>> Washington DC & New York should merge chapters because they are in the
>> Northeast region of the USA.  Sébastien's proposal of one ISOC chapter per
>> country reads to me (in Indian terms) roughly as: "We should only have
>> ISOC-EU because all states in the EU are part of the EU."
>>
>> Siva's case would be bolstered if ISOC Chennai changed its charter and
>> focused on being a regional organization.  But in its current avatar, it is
>> recognized as ISOC *Chennai* and as a result will be constrained more by
>> its geographic selection of the metropolitan region of Chennai.
>>
>> -Ram
>>
>> Sabrina Wilmot wrote:
>>
>> Dear Colleagues,
>>
>> The following application for a Chapter in Bangalore, India, has been
>> received. It is being sent to this list for peer comment and review.
>>
>> Please note that the Chapter is not yet formed and has not officially been
>> recognised by ISOC.
>>
>> If there are people on this list that know the individuals proposing to
>> establish the Chapter, feedback is especially welcome.
>>
>> ~~~~ For the Chapter delegates attending the INET conference in Delhi
>> today, you can meet Mr. Manish Chauhan here. I know some of you did already.
>> ~~~~
>>
>> The period allowed for comments is two weeks and the deadline is 2 October
>> 2009.
>>
>> Please do not hesitate to contact me on or off list.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Sabrina Wilmot
>> ISOC
>>
>> PS: Please note that private contact information has been removed from the
>> application below but is on file with ISOC.
>>
>> -------------------------------
>> Chapter Application for ‘Bangalore Chapter of the Internet Society’
>>
>> A. Proposed name of the Chapter
>> The chapter will be known as "Bangalore Chapter of Internet Society".
>>
>> B. Community of Interest the Chapter will serve
>> This Chapter will serve persons who live or work in the geographic area
>> which includes (but is not limited to) Bangalore, Hyderabad, Pune, Mumbai,
>> Goa and nearby areas on a non-exclusive basis.
>>
>> C. Purpose and Scope of Chapter
>> Mission: "To assure the beneficial, open evolution of the global Internet
>> and its related internetworking technologies through leadership in
>> standards, issues, and education.".
>>
>> Objectives-
>> 1) To provide the leadership, vision, and advocacy efforts necessary to
>> educate the public and engender a healthy and receptive environment to
>> Digital Convergence in the Bangalore Area.
>> 2) To provide broad-based representation of the Indian Internet community
>> both nationally and internationally.
>> 3) To provide a service for the benefit of the community generally by
>> enabling individuals, groups, and organisations to use the Internet
>> effectively for communication, collaboration, education, and innovation
>> without any discrimination on the basis of race, color, sex, language,
>> religion, political or other opinion, social origin, property, birth or
>> other status and to provide information, assistance, archives, and other
>> relevant resources for Indian Internet users.
>> 4) To give expression to the viewpoint of Indian Internet users to
>> business, industry, the government, the media, and society in general, by
>> providing information and promoting education.
>> 5) To affiliate with other Indian Internet-focused organisations for
>> co-ordination, collaboration and education in order to further the
>> objectives of the Society.
>> 6) To promote, facilitate, and conduct research relating to the Internet
>> and internetworking.
>> 7) To develop and maintain formal and informal relationships with the
>> international Internet community.
>>
>> D. Founding Members of the Chapter
>> The Bangalore Chapter of the Internet Society is being initiated by the
>> following 3 founding members:
>> 1> (Mr.) Manish Chauhan
>> Affiliation: Global Member, ISOC.
>> Currently: Member of Technical Staff, Oracle India Development Center
>> (Bangalore)
>> 2> (Ms.) Swati Pandey
>> Affiliation: Global Member, ISOC
>> 3> (Mr.) Abhinav Asthana
>> Affiliation: Global Member, ISOC
>>
>> E. List of Supporters
>> Below is a list of 28 Global Members of ISOC (with their contact
>> information and other details) who belong to Bangalore or nearby areas and
>> who are in support of setting up the "Bangalore Chapter of the Internet
>> Society ". Each member in this list has been contacted individually and has
>> expressed interest in volunteering for and actively supporting ISOC
>> activities in the region. With time, we plan to select representative
>> members from organisations having a membership count
>> greater than 5. For ex: A chapter member belonging to Cisco Bangalore
>> maybe selected to serve as a representative for all the chapter members
>> hailing from Cisco Bangalore. On similar lines company/organisation
>> representatives, for the chapter will be selected for other organisations
>> (Oracle, Intel, Yahoo etc.).
>>
>> Manish Chauhan
>> Swati Pandey
>> Abhinav Asthana
>> Amandeep Uppal
>> Vikas Coca
>> Govinda Upadhyay
>> Tanmay Sarkar
>> Saravanakumar Sr.
>> Dinesh Garg
>> Ohmkaar Kambhampati
>> Praveen Garg
>> Natarajan Bharathwaj
>> Sumit Agarwal
>> Kushal Agarwal
>> Lokesh Harnal
>> Crishna Carthik
>> Sachin Vijayachandran
>> Dhruv Mittal
>> Amit Agarkhed
>> Abhimanyu Vatsya
>> Sivaraman Siddharth
>> Chetan Bansal
>> Abhishek Johri
>> Rakesh Ganatra
>> Vikaas Goel
>> Gautam Partap
>> Yogesh Kansal
>> Rohit Oberoi
>>
>> F. List of Requirements
>> There are no special statutory or regulatory requirements for instituting
>> a chapter of the Internet Society in Bangalore .This has been verified by
>> contacting the officials of other chapters in India
>> (Delhi).
>>
>> G. Additional Information
>> Bangalore and ISOC:
>>
>> We already have ISOC chapters in Delhi, Kolkata and Chennai but the south
>> west part of India doesn’t has any chapter as yet, which includes some major
>> Industrial and Technology hubs like Bangalore, Hyderabad, Mumbai and Pune.
>>
>> India is a developing country with the world’s second largest population
>> of 100 millions. Despite being an IT hub more than half of its population
>> still lives in villages and has no access to computers
>> and internet. The challenges of improving Internet growth are multifaceted
>> and interrelated, particularly in developing countries. They include, for
>> example, access to technical skills and knowledge, the regulatory and policy
>> environment for information and telecommunications services, and broader
>> economic and market factors, language diversity, and the diffusion and
>> reliability of basic infrastructures and services.
>>
>> Being the IT hub and the most developed city of India Bangalore becomes an
>> obvious choice for opening a chapter. Bangalore is called the Silicon Valley
>> of India because of the large number of information technology companies
>> located in the city which contributed 33% of India's Rs. 144,214 crore (US$
>> 31 billion) IT exports in 2006-07. It has been recently declared as the
>> India’s leading IT exporter and which is India's third most populous city
>> and fifth-most populous urban agglomeration and is also a home to some of
>> the most well-recognized colleges, research institutions, Numerous public
>> sector heavy industries, software companies, aerospace, telecommunications,
>> and defense organizations.
>>
>> In recent years, these attributes have propelled Bangalore to the
>> forefront of the high-tech industry boom in India. It has also been ranked
>> as one of the world's fastest growing urban areas.
>> A chapter at Bangalore can serve the community in a much better way by
>> providing a better platform on both national and international level.
>>
>> Other Information:
>>
>> 1>As soon as the chapter is chartered, ISOC Bangalore chapter will have a
>> state of the art web portal within a month.
>>
>> 2>Bangalore chapter of the internet society plans to host an annual All
>> India cyber security essay competition.
>>
>> 3>This draft of the chapter petition and the Bylaws submitted with this
>> application was circulated amongst and ratified by the 28 ISOC Global
>> members who are initiating the Bangalore Chapter. As and when the chapter is
>> chartered and more members join in, the bylaws will be re-debated among the
>> members present in the first meeting of the chapter and any changes
>> subsequently notified to the ISOC.
>>
>> 4>We expect the membership of the chapter to grow over 500 within the
>> initial few months itself.
>>
>> H. Your Contact Information
>> (Mr.) Manish Chauhan [ Global Member, ISOC]
>>
>>
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