[Chapter-delegates] [Sphere-consult] [Inputs sought] ISOCresponse to the US Government Notice of Inquiry on the ICANNJoint Project Agreement
Anne Lord
lord at isoc.org
Thu May 21 02:59:17 PDT 2009
hi Mike
Thanks very much - it is very good to receive your feedback, so thank
you for taking the time to "test and report". It is also good
feedback into the AMS, the second phase of which, will look at
blogging tools and other functionality to support improved 'engagement.'
As Hans Peter said recently, keep the ideas coming! And I will add
"keep the feedback coming" :)
Best wishes
Anne
--
> Anne,
>
> I wrote that message hopefully, without preconceived notions, and
> was surprised that AFTER having selected "Post" as a way to reply or
> contribute to the topic, that I was not returned to the original
> screen containing yours and Frank's posts but to some pages that I
> initially thought may have been other posts to that same Blog or
> possibly other Blog topics. It was just not clear what I was seeing.
>
> Because it was your initial announcement of the Blog I really had
> not expected to see anything other than maybe some comments about
> the newness of the feature or testing of what it is and how it works.
>
> Though I hate the term, it really did not feel like what I thought I
> might see and it was not clear what posting was related to anything
> else that was being delivered to my screen.
>
> Perhaps my posting, without a complete understanding of what was
> coming to my screen after having completed the post I wrote, was a
> bit premature or out of context because of my own misunderstanding.
> Maybe it was because all posts were being provided to my screen and
> not just those related to the Blog to which I had just posted. I
> don't consider myself to be new to the world of online communication
> but, obviously, I got confused. That was the context of my message
> and the reason for the comments that I felt the system was not
> providing a clear connection to the Blog.
>
> I hope it did not appear that this was anything more than "testing
> and reporting."
>
> Mike Todd
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Lord" <lord at isoc.org>
> To: "Mike Todd" <miketodd at miketodd.com>
> Cc: "ISOC Chapter Delegates" <chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>; <sphere-consult at isoc.org
> >
> Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 07:39
> Subject: Re: [Sphere-consult] [Chapter-delegates] [Inputs sought]
> ISOCresponse to the US Government Notice of Inquiry on the
> ICANNJoint Project Agreement
>
>
>> hi Mike,
>>
>> Many thanks for responding to this!
>>
>>>
>>> The link in your message leads to a page showing you and Frank
>>> have posted to a couple of the Blogs but it provides no indication
>>> that others have posted messages nor what their messages contain.
>>>
>>
>> I'm confused. The blog for the ICANN JPA was created yesterday by
>> me, and Franck posted a note to check it worked. The blog has been
>> up probably for less than 24 hours. Experience to date for this
>> type of fairly weighty consultation tells me that comments dont
>> really flood in but just come in slowly after Chapter leaders have
>> had a chance to discuss with their Boards etc and as time allows.
>>
>> So there are no other messages on this blog at this point and this
>> is not out of sync with my expectations (thus far). But all
>> messages posted should be visible and are on the 'consultation
>> about a consultation' blog.
>>
>>> It was just that "lacking" that the message I posted to the
>>> "Consultation about a Consultation Process" Blog meant to address.
>>> There is no indication of an obvious dialog nor interactive
>>> process. These are needed before anyone trying to get involved
>>> will be able to get some positive feedback that they are, in
>>> fact, being involved.
>>>
>>
>> I note your comment about lack of interactivity however I'm not
>> sure I agree with the conclusion. In my own realm of experience
>> (in a non ISOC world), if I was invited to comment on something,
>> the lack of interactivity would not prevent me from still feeling
>> involved. For me it is about having the opportunity to comment,
>> whatever tool is used.
>>
>> On the "consultation on a consultation" there are 10 posts - not
>> including the original posting. Some blogs are much more
>> interactive as people respond to others blogs quickly and continue
>> the 'conversation'. Nevertheless the comments themselves (aside
>> from the effectiveness of the tools to collect them) are all
>> useful and good comments, and were going to be fed back into
>> another draft which Fred will produce.
>>
>>> I think we have a ways to go before we will have achieved the
>>> benefits of combining Blog, email, messaging, posting, and on and
>>> on...
>>
>> This I agree. I guess this is all part of the 'testing' of the
>> tools (and learning) part of the sphere-consult 'consultation on a
>> consultation'.
>>
>> Best wishes and thanks again for your comments!
>>
>> Anne
>> --
>>
>>> Mike Todd
>>> President, Mike Todd Associates - www.MikeTodd.com
>>>
>>> President, Internet Society Los Angeles Chapter - www.ISOC-LA.org
>>> toddm at isoc-la.org
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Lord" <lord at isoc.org>
>>> To: "Anne Lord" <lord at isoc.org>
>>> Cc: "ISOC Chapter Delegates" <chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>; <sphere-consult at isoc.org
>>> >
>>> Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 03:40
>>> Subject: Re: [Sphere-consult] [Chapter-delegates] [Inputs sought]
>>> ISOCresponse to the US Government Notice of Inquiry on the
>>> ICANNJoint Project Agreement
>>>
>>>
>>>> Dear Colleagues,
>>>>
>>>> Just an update to my mail below. Many thanks to Franck, we now
>>>> have a left hand menu on the chapter wiki listing all the
>>>> current blogs and you do not need to login to see them or to
>>>> post a comment.
>>>>
>>>> http://wiki.chapters.isoc.org/tiki-list_blogs.php
>>>>
>>>> best wishes,
>>>> Anne
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> On 18/05/2009, at 7:45 PM, Anne Lord wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dear Colleagues,
>>>>>
>>>>> As mentioned by Bill in the email below, a blog has now been
>>>>> established on the Chapter wiki at the URL below. Please visit
>>>>> the blog to provide your comments (login required) or reply to
>>>>> this list.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://wiki.chapters.isoc.org/tiki-view_blog.php?blogId=4
>>>>>
>>>>> or
>>>>> Tiny URL: http://tinyurl.com/ohvs9r
>>>>>
>>>>> We look forward to your feedback,
>>>>>
>>>>> Many thanks
>>>>>
>>>>> Anne
>>>>> PS. If you have forgotten your password or need help logging in
>>>>> click the "I forgot my password" button or send email to <chapter-support at isoc.org
>>>>> >
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12/05/2009, at 11:02 PM, Bill Graham wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> As I pointed out in my note to you on April 24, the United
>>>>>> States Department of Commerce has released its notice of
>>>>>> inquiry (NOI) "regarding the upcoming expiration of the JPA
>>>>>> with ICANN." Comments are due ON OR BEFORE JUNE 8, 2009. The
>>>>>> document is attached again here.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BACKGROUND
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The NOI summarizes the history of the JPA and asks eight
>>>>>> questions that are very far reaching. They ask about whether
>>>>>> the original White Paper principles are still appropriate and
>>>>>> whether ICANN has integrated them. They ask if the private
>>>>>> sector-led, bottom-up process is still the most appripriate,
>>>>>> or if there are better. They ask about ICANN's progress
>>>>>> against the JPA core tasks and subsequent commitments made by
>>>>>> the ICANN Board. they ask whether progress is sufficient to
>>>>>> transition ICANN to full independence, and if not what remains
>>>>>> to be done. Then they ask if there enough safeguards in place
>>>>>> to ensure continued security and stability of the DNS, and if
>>>>>> they can ensure protection of stakeholder interests and the
>>>>>> model itself. And finally they ask what the NTIA final
>>>>>> report on the JPA should include. It appears they are
>>>>>> seeking either oral or written comments, all of which will be
>>>>>> put on the public record.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ISOC will be responding to this inquiry. ISOC has an important
>>>>>> obligation on a matter as critical as this for the future of
>>>>>> the Internet and the Internet model as a whole. I want to
>>>>>> reaffirm that in line with our mission we will need to consult
>>>>>> broadly: with our Board, Chapters and Members, but also within
>>>>>> Internet community, IETF, etc., to ensure the most appropriate
>>>>>> response possible. Consistent with that mission, I am
>>>>>> launching this broad consultation with you to get your overall
>>>>>> views of ICANN, its performance and its future which will serve
>>>>>> as valuable input to the eventual ISOC response to the NOI.
>>>>>> PRELIMINARY IDEAS FOR ISOC RESPONSE
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Following are some preliminary points I am proposing as
>>>>>> elements for the ISOC response (including some suggested areas
>>>>>> where I would particularly appreciate hearing your views, in
>>>>>> square brackets):
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -- Emphasize the fundamental role of ICANN as a steward of a
>>>>>> global resource. [It might be something like: ICANN must
>>>>>> always remember its fundamental responsibility as the steward
>>>>>> over a shared global resource. ICANN is not a simple
>>>>>> aggregator of the interests of its multiple constituencies.
>>>>>> This central obligation should drive the future direction and
>>>>>> activities of the organization. And it implies that the
>>>>>> ICANN Board must accept the responsibility to do what is
>>>>>> right for the Internet, even if that course is not the most
>>>>>> popular with some of its most powerful constituencies.]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -- Support the original four principles for management of the
>>>>>> DNS as having ongoing relevance (those were: stability;
>>>>>> competition; private, bottom-up coordination; and
>>>>>> representation)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -- Support the full privatization of ICANN at the end of the
>>>>>> JPA to promote private-sector (defined as non-governmental,
>>>>>> private) leadership and bottom-up policy making, consistent
>>>>>> with our previous statements to the US government.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -- Draw attention to the ongoing need to improve accountability
>>>>>> and transparency mechanisms (ref. the first point), but stress
>>>>>> that this is something that the ICANN stakeholders can and
>>>>>> must accept responsibility for doing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -- Support the identified need to continue to strengthen
>>>>>> mechanisms to avoid capture [Are the current mechanisms are
>>>>>> sufficiently strong? Are improvements needed and if so what?]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -- The US Government emphasizes the requirement that it and
>>>>>> ICANN collaborate on a DNS Project Report that will document
>>>>>> ICANN's policies and procedures designed and developed
>>>>>> pursuant to the agreement. They ask what should be included in
>>>>>> this report? [This would be a good place to reiterate the
>>>>>> stewardship role. Are there other messages ISOC should
>>>>>> propose for inclusion in this report?]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> TIMELINE
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The ISOC response must be submitted by the deadline of 8 June.
>>>>>> I propose the following timeline, and hope you will be able to
>>>>>> help by these deadlines:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> May 12: Consultation launched, comments invited. Any
>>>>>> coordination you may want to do in preparing the comments will
>>>>>> be welcomed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> May 18: Board of Trustees discussion of response.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> May 27: End of comment period. I may need to follow up with
>>>>>> some of you for clarification or more information.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> June 8: ISOC files comments with Department of Commerce,
>>>>>> shares final version internally.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I will also provide an explanation for the rationale for
>>>>>> particular choices made in the final response. I believe this
>>>>>> will help us all to develop and understanding of how we work
>>>>>> together, and also help to build capacity for engaging in this
>>>>>> kind of dialogue.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> HOW TO CONTRIBUTE
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I propose two ways to collect your comments. The first and
>>>>>> most traditional would be if you can please send your comments
>>>>>> to me in reply to this message (so I can use the header to
>>>>>> sort). The second will be to use a special blog that will be
>>>>>> set up to collect your comments. Anne Lord will get that done
>>>>>> in the next day or two, and will send you information about
>>>>>> how to access the blog when done.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please let me know if any of this is unclear.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BACKGROUND MATERIAL
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As background material, I would also refer you to ISOC's
>>>>>> previous inputs to the US Department of Commerce, that can be
>>>>>> found at:
>>>>>> http://www.isoc.org/pubpolpillar/docs/ISOC_NTIA_response_060707.pdf
>>>>>> http://www.isoc.org/pubpolpillar/docs/
>>>>>> ISOC_NTIA_statement_060726.pdf
>>>>>> http://www.isoc.org/pubpolpillar/docs/ISOC_NTIA_response_080215.pdf
>>>>>>
>>>>>> and ISOC's inputs to the ICANN President's Strategy Committee
>>>>>> on the issues of Improving Institutional Confidence at:
>>>>>> http://www.isoc.org/pubpolpillar/community/icann.shtml
>>>>>>
>>>>>> United States Government archive of background papers on the
>>>>>> DNS project are available at:
>>>>>> http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ntiahome/domainname/background.htm
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Looking forward to your response
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bill Graham
>>>>>>
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