[Chapter-delegates] [Isoc-ph-members] The Future Internet

Wed May 20 13:31:50 PDT 2009

Christopher,

FWIW, I do too. I have recently had a discussion with a very literate 
education and humanities professor and I have seen her deep conviction and 
reasons against capitalizing Internet. But remain unswayed...

Alejandro Pisanty

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On Wed, 20 May 2009, Christopher Wilkinson wrote:

> Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 22:18:54 +0200
> From: Christopher Wilkinson <christopher.wilkinson at skynet.be>
> To: Alejandro Pisanty <apisan at servidor.unam.mx>
> Cc: Bill Graham <graham at isoc.org>, chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org,
>     ISOC-PH Members <isoc-ph-members at isoc.ph>,
>     Charity Gamboa <charityg at diplomacy.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Chapter-delegates] [Isoc-ph-members]  The Future Internet
> 
> I have always written Internet (n) and internet (a), and will continue to do 
> so.
>
> CW
>
>
> On 20 May 2009, at 19:53, Alejandro Pisanty wrote:
>
>> Bill, all,
>> 
>> thanks for this very valuable perspective. Using capital letters for 
>> Internet has long history (thus too the debate.)
>> 
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_capitalization_conventions provides a 
>> good summary and mentions the relevant RFCs, which is the first place we - 
>> ISOCers - are obliged to look when in doubt.
>> 
>> Yours,
>> 
>> Alejandro Pisanty
>> 
>> 
>> .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  . .  .  .  .  .  .
>>     Dr. Alejandro Pisanty
>> UNAM, Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico
>> 
>> Tels. +52-(1)-55-5105-6044, +52-(1)-55-5418-3732
>> 
>> *Mi blog/My blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com
>> *LinkedIn profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty
>> *Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn, 
>> http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614
>> 
>> ---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org
>> Participa en ICANN, http://www.icann.org
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>> 
>> On Wed, 20 May 2009, Bill Graham wrote:
>> 
>>> Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 13:23:29 -0400
>>> From: Bill Graham <graham at isoc.org>
>>> To: Franck Martin <franck at avonsys.com>
>>> Cc: chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org,
>>>    ISOC-PH Members <isoc-ph-members at isoc.ph>,
>>>    Charity Gamboa <charityg at diplomacy.edu>
>>> Subject: Re: [Chapter-delegates] [Isoc-ph-members]  The Future Internet
>>> Here's my perspective on this issue:
>>> 
>>> The ITU started using lower case for the Internet in the middle of the 
>>> WSIS process, about 1994.  Tim Kelly, who then headed the Strategic Policy 
>>> Unit @ ITU, said it was purely for stylistic reasons, and based his 
>>> argument on The Economist style guide <see: 
>>> http://www.economist.com/research/styleGuide/index.cfm?page=805682>.  At 
>>> about the same time, Wired magazine (or should that be wired magazine?) 
>>> announced that they had abandoned the upper case I because the Internet 
>>> had become ubiquitous, like an aspirin <see 
>>> http://www.wired.com/culture/lifestyle/news/2004/08/64596>.
>>> 
>>> Many objected to Kelly's decision, including ISOC, the Canadian government 
>>> and the US government.  Our argument is quite succinctly put here 
>>> <http://www.teleread.org/2008/03/27/internet-vs-internet-and-web-vs-web-wisdom-from-bob-wyman-based-on-ietf-usage/
>>>> .  The ITU has steadfastly refused to change their tune.
>>> 
>>> Bill
>>> 
>>> On 19-May-09, at 8:49 PM, Franck Martin wrote:
>>> 
>>>> My understanding is you capitalize when you speak of "The Internet", but 
>>>> you can keep it lower case when you talk about internet technologies, or 
>>>> an internet application, ...
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Fred Baker" <fred at cisco.com>
>>>> To: "Charity Gamboa" <charityg at diplomacy.edu>
>>>> Cc: chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org, "ISOC-PH Members" 
>>>> <isoc-ph-members at isoc.ph>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, 20 May, 2009 12:38:16 PM GMT +12:00 New Zealand
>>>> Subject: Re: [Chapter-delegates] [Isoc-ph-members]  The Future Internet
>>>> Since "Internet" is a proper name, I capitalize it.
>>>> On May 19, 2009, at 7:55 PM, Charity Gamboa wrote:
>>>> Wyn: P.S.  trivium: the ITU insists on spelling "internet" with a small 
>>>> "i",
>>>> as if to indicate that it's just one of its (assumed) functions like
>>>> "post", "telegraph" and "telephone".  Which is why i always make it a
>>>> point to spell Internet with a capital "I". :)
>>>> I have to admit ignorance in this case with regards to the use of the big 
>>>> "I" and small "i" in the word "I-N-T-E-R-N-E-T."  Although I am aware 
>>>> that it is the IETF who is directly responsible for Internet standards, 
>>>> should the IETF insist more on this than ITU?
>>>> If I confuse spelling the Internet with a small "i" and a big "I," does 
>>>> it make a whole lot of difference of my understanding of the INTERNET? I 
>>>> have seen and read in the past how some people write the word with either 
>>>> a small "I" or a big "I."  I thought it was just some typo.  If people 
>>>> confuse themselves in the use of  the big and small "I," maybe it's the 
>>>> same way people use "Xerox" to pertain to a photocopying ("Let's xerox 
>>>> the notes."); or "Kleenex" to pertain to "tissue;" or "Coke" to a cola or 
>>>> "band-aid" pertaining to bandage. Perhaps we may be also "genericizing" 
>>>> the words "Internet" and "internet."
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