[Chapter-delegates] ISOC Elections result
Franck Martin
franck at sopac.org
Mon May 12 17:20:53 PDT 2008
Eduardo,
Yes this is what I hope too. And I think ISOC has got some great staff
behind these projects.
Sorry to have put many "I", in the email, but I don't like the "we" as
it is everybody and nobody. I see Alex has been giving his point of view
and I know other board members are on the list, so they can give their
perspective if they wish to.
What I would say, I feel we have a very good working board at ISOC. We
have differences, coming from different point of views, but we listen to
each others and change our point of view if needed. I don't think anyone
is dogmatic on the board.
So all the listed below would not have been made possible without the
support from the whole board and the staff.
Cheers
Eduardo Diaz wrote:
> F:
>
> I really appreciate your explanation. Hopefully, the Sphere project and
> other initiatives will motivate most of us to have a more dynamic
> involvement with ISOC HQ and other chapters as well.
>
> Thanks.
>
> -ed
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: chapter-delegates-bounces at elists.isoc.org [mailto:chapter-delegates-
>> bounces at elists.isoc.org] On Behalf Of Franck Martin
>> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 6:55 PM
>> To: chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org
>> Subject: Re: [Chapter-delegates] ISOC Elections result
>>
>> Eduardo, Veni, et al.
>>
>> I think the comment is slightly unfair.
>>
>> I have been alerting the chapter delegates of most of the board meeting,
>> if not all. I have asked to look at board documents and provide feedback
>> to board members so they can impact on the strategy of ISOC. Well, I
>> received very little feedback.
>> I understand Veni's frustration, and I understand where it is coming from.
>> I have been trying a different approach. Understand, it does not matter if
>> there is 1, 3 or 6 chapters elect at the board, the other board members
>> are not the enemy. They just need to know the chapters better while at the
>> same time understand that chapters are not a dead weight to carry around.
>> If chapters are visible to the board by participation, then they will
>> shape things.
>> I started a chapter survey after my election to the board which gave some
>> impetus to get ISOC staff to know better the chapters and revive what
>> could be revive and shop what was dead.
>> I pushed for the "AMS" or membership system to be fixed. It is not moving
>> at the speed I like, but it is moving. yes I'm not happy, 2 years to get
>> some specifications is a long time, but it is getting there.
>> The sphere project is a result of the board effort, (including non
>> chapter-elect board members) to get better interaction between chapters
>> and ISOC HQ. Groups have been formed, and are starting to work, but if you
>> look closely, it is more like 5 people from staff or board and 2 people
>> from chapters. I have already heard complains about chapters not talking.
>> Very difficult to know what chapters want when there is no-one to talk to.
>> I have pushed (or rather PICISOC and ISOC-AU) to have chapters meetings at
>> major events (ICANN, IGF,...). It is now institutionalized. I think the
>> first meeting happened during ICANN Wellington.
>> I have pushed to have Chapters brief in the annual report, indicating some
>> chapters achievements during the year. Before it was all about ISOC-HQ
>> activities.
>> Sabrina has been organising monthly online chapters meeting (following the
>> tradition of the MMM by Andrea Vea Baro). I have participated to a few,
>> and I would like to thank the ISOC staff for turning up at these meetings
>> despite very little participation from chapters. Some meeting have been
>> canceled because no chapter showed up.
>> I have helped to push for Chapters to present to the board when the board
>> meet in their area. I think it started in Marrakesh with ISOC-Maroc, ISOC-
>> Puerto Rico presented last year, and we had ISOC-Philadelphia recently.
>> This helps the non-elect board members to know more the chapters out
>> there, as well as chapters to know more what the board do.
>>
>> There are about 70 active chapters, in each chapter there are about 3
>> board members minimum. This is 210 people minimum. Out of these 210
>> people, I think we can count about 10 people participating in these
>> chapters-ISOC HQ relations. Should chapters appoint an ISOC-HQ liaison, as
>> I realize the president of the chapter cannot be everywhere?
>>
>> So if you, chapters rep, want me to do anything at the board, talk to me.
>> I work with difficulty by osmosis and mind reading. Also there are now
>> enough avenues for you to talk with ISOC staff directly and advise them on
>> how to set up their yearly work plan.
>>
>> As for us, in PICISOC, we did not vote, because like some of you, our
>> board members which are in charge to vote, well, did not see the
>> reminders... And I'm not happy about that too.
>>
>> Life is hard on the front. May be I should go kite surfing instead? It
>> costs money too but it is much more fun...
>>
>>
>> Eduardo Diaz wrote:
>>
>> Franck:
>>
>> We agree with Veni. Even though we always participate in these
>> elections we
>> do not see how these trustees help the chapters at all or maybe I am
>> wrong?
>> Can somebody let us know what things have been accomplished by
>> previous
>> trustees that have a direct (or indirect) impact on the chapters?
>>
>> Eduardo DIaz
>> ISOC-Puerto Rico
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: chapter-delegates-bounces at elists.isoc.org
>> [mailto:chapter-delegates-
>> bounces at elists.isoc.org] On Behalf Of Veni Markovski
>> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 3:43 PM
>> To: Franck Martin; <chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>
>> <mailto:chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Chapter-delegates] ISOC Elections result
>>
>> Franck,
>> you are asking questions, which were responded a long, long
>> time ago.
>>
>> Here are some hints:
>> - Chapters are represented by 3 trustees out of 12. Yet, the
>> number
>> of chapters and the number of organizational members is
>> approximately
>> the same, but the org members elect 6 trustees;
>> - Chapter Trustees are not able always to move forward
>>
> issues
>
>> that
>> are of relevance for the chapters, which seriously
>>
> discourages
>
>> them
>> from even trying;
>> - Active chapters have tried to work with ISOC, but if their
>> efforts
>> have been with no response, they have continued their daily
>> activities, without having time to allocate for more
>> communications
>> with the HQ;
>> - Certain ISOC programs, which are quite good, have not been
>> made
>> popular enough;
>>
>> I can give examples (as usually) with ISOC-Bulgaria for lack
>> of
>> communications with the HQ, but I don't see a reason why.
>>
>> Best,
>> Veni
>>
>> P.S. We voted in the elections, but we did it very
>> reluctantly.
>>
>>
>> At 11:51 AM 5/12/2008 +1200, Franck Martin wrote:
>>
>>
>> Congratulations to Alejandro.
>>
>> I'm curious why we have only 57% participation to
>>
> these
>
>> elections? A
>> couple of inactive chapters have been removed from
>>
> the
>
>> list. ISOC
>> has a better engagement with chapters via the sphere
>> project. So
>> what is not working?
>>
>> Do chapters care about ISOC governance?
>>
>> What needs to be fixed to improve chapters
>> participation, even to
>> this mailing list and to sphere?
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Franck Martin
>> ICT Specialist
>> franck at sopac.org
>> SOPAC, Fiji
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