[Chapter-delegates] ISOC Elections result

[Eduardo Diaz]

F:

I really appreciate your explanation. Hopefully, the Sphere project and
other initiatives will motivate most of us to have a more dynamic
involvement with ISOC HQ and other chapters as well.

Thanks.

-ed

> -----Original Message-----
> From: chapter-delegates-bounces at elists.isoc.org [mailto:chapter-delegates-
> bounces at elists.isoc.org] On Behalf Of Franck Martin
> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 6:55 PM
> To: chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org
> Subject: Re: [Chapter-delegates] ISOC Elections result
> 
> Eduardo, Veni, et al.
> 
> I think the comment is slightly unfair.
> 
> I have been alerting the chapter delegates of most of the board meeting,
> if not all. I have asked to look at board documents and provide feedback
> to board members so they can impact on the strategy of ISOC. Well, I
> received very little feedback.
> I understand Veni's frustration, and I understand where it is coming from.
> I have been trying a different approach. Understand, it does not matter if
> there is 1, 3 or 6 chapters elect at the board, the other board members
> are not the enemy. They just need to know the chapters better while at the
> same time understand that chapters are not a dead weight to carry around.
> If chapters are visible to the board by participation, then they will
> shape things.
> I started a chapter survey after my election to the board which gave some
> impetus to get ISOC staff to know better the chapters and revive what
> could be revive and shop what was dead.
> I pushed for the "AMS" or membership system to be fixed. It is not moving
> at the speed I like, but it is moving. yes I'm not happy, 2 years to get
> some specifications is a long time, but it is getting there.
> The sphere project is a result of the board effort, (including non
> chapter-elect board members) to get better interaction between chapters
> and ISOC HQ. Groups have been formed, and are starting to work, but if you
> look closely, it is more like 5 people from staff or board and 2 people
> from chapters. I have already heard complains about chapters not talking.
> Very difficult to know what chapters want when there is no-one to talk to.
> I have pushed (or rather PICISOC and ISOC-AU) to have chapters meetings at
> major events (ICANN, IGF,...). It is now institutionalized. I think the
> first meeting happened during ICANN Wellington.
> I have pushed to have Chapters brief in the annual report, indicating some
> chapters achievements during the year. Before it was all about ISOC-HQ
> activities.
> Sabrina has been organising monthly online chapters meeting (following the
> tradition of the MMM by Andrea Vea Baro). I have participated to a few,
> and I would like to thank the ISOC staff for turning up at these meetings
> despite very little participation from chapters. Some meeting have been
> canceled because no chapter showed up.
> I have helped to push for Chapters to present to the board when the board
> meet in their area. I think it started in Marrakesh with ISOC-Maroc, ISOC-
> Puerto Rico presented last year, and we had ISOC-Philadelphia recently.
> This helps the non-elect board members to know more the chapters out
> there, as well as chapters to know more what the board do.
> 
> There are about 70 active chapters, in each chapter there are about 3
> board members minimum. This is 210 people minimum. Out of these 210
> people, I think we can count about 10 people participating in these
> chapters-ISOC HQ relations. Should chapters appoint an ISOC-HQ liaison, as
> I realize the president of the chapter cannot be everywhere?
> 
> So if you, chapters rep, want me to do anything at the board, talk to me.
> I work with difficulty by osmosis and mind reading. Also there are now
> enough avenues for you to talk with ISOC staff directly and advise them on
> how to set up their yearly work plan.
> 
> As for us, in PICISOC, we did not vote, because like some of you, our
> board members which are in charge to vote, well, did not see the
> reminders... And I'm not happy about that too.
> 
> Life is hard on the front. May be I should go kite surfing instead? It
> costs money too but it is much more fun...
> 
> 
> Eduardo Diaz wrote:
> 
> 	Franck:
> 
> 	We agree with Veni. Even though we always participate in these
> elections we
> 	do not see how these trustees help the chapters at all or maybe I am
> wrong?
> 	Can somebody let us know what things have been accomplished by
> previous
> 	trustees that have a direct (or indirect) impact on the chapters?
> 
> 	Eduardo DIaz
> 	ISOC-Puerto Rico
> 
> 
> 
> 		-----Original Message-----
> 		From: chapter-delegates-bounces at elists.isoc.org
> [mailto:chapter-delegates-
> 		bounces at elists.isoc.org] On Behalf Of Veni Markovski
> 		Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 3:43 PM
> 		To: Franck Martin; <chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>
> <mailto:chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>
> 		Subject: Re: [Chapter-delegates] ISOC Elections result
> 
> 		Franck,
> 		you are asking questions, which were responded a long, long
> time ago.
> 
> 		Here are some hints:
> 		- Chapters are represented by 3 trustees out of 12. Yet, the
> number
> 		of chapters and the number of organizational members is
> approximately
> 		the same, but the org members elect 6 trustees;
> 		- Chapter Trustees are not able always to move forward
issues
> that
> 		are of relevance for the chapters, which seriously
discourages
> them
> 		from even trying;
> 		- Active chapters have tried to work with ISOC, but if their
> efforts
> 		have been with no response, they have continued their daily
> 		activities, without having time to allocate for more
> communications
> 		with the HQ;
> 		- Certain ISOC programs, which are quite good, have not been
> made
> 		popular enough;
> 
> 		I can give examples (as usually) with ISOC-Bulgaria for lack
> of
> 		communications with the HQ, but I don't see a reason why.
> 
> 		Best,
> 		Veni
> 
> 		P.S. We voted in the elections, but we did it very
> reluctantly.
> 
> 
> 		At 11:51 AM 5/12/2008  +1200, Franck Martin wrote:
> 
> 
> 			Congratulations to Alejandro.
> 
> 			I'm curious why we have only 57% participation to
these
> elections? A
> 			couple of inactive chapters have been removed from
the
> list. ISOC
> 			has a better engagement with chapters via the sphere
> project. So
> 			what is not working?
> 
> 			Do chapters care about ISOC governance?
> 
> 			What needs to be fixed to improve chapters
> participation, even to
> 			this mailing list and to sphere?
> 
> 
> 
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