[Chapter-delegates] Bulgaria moves to register Cyrillic Internet domain
Sivasubramanian Muthusamy
isolatedn at gmail.com
Tue Jun 24 10:48:39 PDT 2008
Hello Alejandro
Yes, the present system of alphabetic names is created so that people
don't have to remember digits.
In my suggestion of a digitized name as a "machine level" layer of
indirection, the suggestion is not exactly that the internet user has
to remember the digitized name.
English- Coca-cola.com. ON ALLOCATION of the name coca-cola.com, at
the same instant becomes owner of the digitzed name ( this could also
be alpha numeric, not necessarily just digits - such as
USAEnglishCommerce32594892 or as 2bbfcdf3f09ae8d700402f36913515cd
If there are a thousand languages, ICANN simultaneously reserves the
the local strings auto-generated by a machine level reverse-look up.
By this theory2bbfcdf3f09ae8d700402f36913515cd should auto-generate a
<cyrillic> string, a <Hindi> string, a <spanish> string and 997 other
strings.
The technical feasibility of this needs to be explored.
1. Coca-cola is a 9 letter string. Would a reverse-look up of
2bbfcdf3f09ae8d700402f36913515cd generate a 9 lettered spanish name or
is there a possibility that it becomes a 19 lettered word in the
process ?
2. The name so generated would be easy to type, but is likely to be a
a string of meaningless characters. This would again be hard to
remember.
3. So, yet another layer of local indirection may be needed similar to
a RealNames service in each country that the Coca Cola corporation
would go to to obtain the local language string that rhymes with
Coca-cola which the user will remember and type that gets looked up as
the earlier local string of meaningless characters which gets looked
up as the digitized name in the central DNS system which gets looked
up as coca-cola.com
Very round about. I am typing as I think and really do not see how it
is an improvement over Coca Cola corporation having to go to the local
registry to obtain the best available .bg name
Without Step 3, the typing problem is somewhat solved, but not the
problem related to the recallability of the name. But Step 3 seems to
bring us back to Square 1.
If what I have written is 40% sense and 60% nonsense, please do reason
this out and see if more sense can be made out of this
Sivasubramanian Muthusamy
On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 10:27 PM, Alejandro Pisanty
<apisan at servidor.unam.mx> wrote:
> Sivasubramanian,
>
> let me see if I understand well:
>
> the present layers are:
>
> domain name read as alphabetic characters by the user
> domain name represented in bits and bytes
> IP address.
>
>
> The DNS was created so that people would not have to remember the numbers in
> the IP address.
>
> Now you would add a numbered list of TLDs so that is an additional layer of
> indirection (of course creating a new layer of indirection, a new
> abstraction, is common practice in computing.)
>
> But... let's see, thehr will in the long run be at least a couple hundred
> numbers of TLDs - you'd have that even if we only did ccTLDs in ASCII, as
> presently, plus their representations in the characters of one native
> language that uses non-ASCII characters. So, in chronological order, maybe
> <bg-in-Cyrillic> would be number 1, and later on maybe India in TAmil would
> be no. 431 (just an example!).
>
> Who would be able to remember this list? Someone would come up with the hame
> in-tam for India in Tamil, and we now would have added two layers of
> indirection that would requiere intensive maintenance.
>
> Do we want to go there, or is there an alternative, or did I not understand
> you well?
>
> Yours,
>
> Alejandro Pisanty
>
>
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> On Tue, 24 Jun 2008, Sivasubramanian Muthusamy wrote:
>
>> Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 22:05:32 +0530
>> From: Sivasubramanian Muthusamy <isolatedn at gmail.com>
>> To: Alejandro Pisanty <apisan at servidor.unam.mx>
>> Cc: Gene Gaines <gene.gaines at gainesgroup.com>,
>> chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org
>> Subject: Re: [Chapter-delegates] Bulgaria moves to register Cyrillic
>> Internet
>> domain
>>
>> Hello Alejandro Pisantry,
>>
>> This is a very valid question. Localization is important, but in the
>> process of localization if the localized zone becomes inaccessible
>> internationally the effect would be contrary to that intended.
>>
>> May be the technical community should think of a domain name
>> architecture whereby there is a digitized domain name system - the
>> digitized 'name' is functional at the DNS level. It is the
>> digitization of a local name visible to the locals as the local
>> language name, but gets converted into any other language for the
>> convenience of those from the rest of the world
>>
>> <cyrillc-bg> name - the user in Bulgaria enters a cyrillic name
>> The DNS system gets the same name translated into digits
>> The international user knows the digital name
>> There is a global web interface akin to tinyurl.com that converts the
>> digital 'name' into any local language, for instance, Spanish
>> The user in spain types the Spanish characters in the address bar of
>> his browser. <spanish-bg> name
>> The DNS system re translates it to the digital name which is looked up
>> as the <cyrillc-bg> name website.
>>
>> A possible solution I wish to know if this is technically sound.
>>
>> Sivasubramanian Muthusamy
>> ISOC India Chennai
>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/sivasubramanianmuthusamy
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 7:27 PM, Alejandro Pisanty
>> <apisan at servidor.unam.mx> wrote:
>>>
>>> Gene,
>>>
>>> I certainly join you in congratulating Dessi and the team in Bulgaria.
>>>
>>> I think that here in the chapters we have a very sepcial opportunity, as
>>> a
>>> community, to test the whole concept that has been advanced now.
>>>
>>> In particular I am curious to see what happens the first time that a site
>>> goes up with a <cyrillc-bg> name and one of us wants to access it without
>>> a
>>> Cyrillic keyboard in an Internet cafe somewhere. And "access" may well
>>> mean
>>> sending email, as much as it might mean opening a Web site.
>>>
>>> Ours is a community that can especially help each other to make progress
>>> in
>>> such tests and be of assistance to Dessi an all others with her.
>>>
>>> Yours,
>>>
>>> Alejandro Pisanty
>>>
>>>
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>>> .
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>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, 24 Jun 2008, Gene Gaines wrote:
>>>
>>>> Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 08:30:25 -0400
>>>> From: Gene Gaines <gene.gaines at gainesgroup.com>
>>>> To: Dessi Pefeva <dpefeva at isoc.bg>
>>>> Cc: chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Chapter-delegates] Bulgaria moves to register Cyrillic
>>>> Intern
>>>> domain
>>>>
>>>> I am very pleased to see SAITC (Bulgarian State Agency for Information
>>>> Technologies and Communicatoins), with important support from the
>>>> Bulgarian
>>>> ISOC chapter, <http://www.daits.government.bg/>take the step of
>>>> requesting
>>>> registration of a Cyrillic TLD from ICANN. (below)
>>>>
>>>> If "The Internet is for Everyone" then we must provide the means for
>>>> everyone to communicate using their language and their character set.
>>>>
>>>> Congratulation ISOC.bg
>>>>
>>>> Gene Gaines
>>>> VP, DCISOC (Washington DC Area Chapter of ISOC)
>>>> *
>>>> *On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 7:27 AM, Dessi Pefeva <dpefeva at isoc.bg> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I am happy to announce that the Bulgarian government has shown
>>>>> officially
>>>>> its intent to register the .бг (.bg in Cyrillic) domain. They did it in
>>>>> a
>>>>> letter, sent yesterday to ICANN's President Paul Twomey.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is due also thanks to the efforts of ISOC-Bulgaria. Bulgarian
>>>>> President, Prime Minister, Foreign Minister, and the Minister of ITC
>>>>> are
>>>>> all
>>>>> members of ISOC. They have talked on a number of times in the past six
>>>>> months with ISOC.bg on these issues.
>>>>>
>>>>> Obviously the conversations have been fruitful. See more information
>>>>> here:
>>>>> http://uk.reuters.com/article/internetNews/idUKL2360195920080623
>>>>>
>>>>> And this is the official press-release from the ITC Agency:
>>>>>
>>>>> Bulgaria has requested the registration of a Cyrillic top level domain
>>>>> (TLD) from *ICANN* <http://www.icann.org/>. The letter from the
>>>>> chairman
>>>>> of the Bulgarian State Agency for Information Technologies and
>>>>> Communicatoins (*SAITC* <http://www.daits.government.bg/>) Plamen
>>>>> Vatchkov
>>>>> to the president of ICANN Paul Twomey was delivered today, June 23rd,
>>>>> 2008, in Paris via the Bulgarian representative to the Governmental
>>>>> Advisory
>>>>> Committee of ICANN, and was distributed for information only in Geneva
>>>>> where
>>>>> the ITU is headquartered. Thus Bulgaria requested the fast track for
>>>>> implementation of its own Cyrillic IDNs.
>>>>>
>>>>> In the letter to the ICANN President, the SAITC chairman informs the
>>>>> authoritative international organization, dealing with assigned names
>>>>> and
>>>>> numbers, that Bulgaria has decided to register and maintain the country
>>>>> code
>>>>> .бг (bg in Cyrillic)
>>>>>
>>>>> Further in the letter, SAITC chairman informs that the discussion on
>>>>> using
>>>>> Cyrillic domain names was initiated by the President of Bulgaria Georgi
>>>>> Parvanov during the visit of the Russian President Putin and the then
>>>>> vice-prime minister, and now President of Russia Dmitry Medvedev during
>>>>> their visit in January 2008 in Sofia. The question was also discussed
>>>>> during
>>>>> meetings of Bulgarian Prime Minister Sergei Stanishev with the Russian
>>>>> counterparts, as well as during talks between foreign ministers Ivailo
>>>>> Kalfin and Sergei Lavrov. Last week, Russian President Medvedev
>>>>> announced
>>>>> in
>>>>> Moscow, that the issue of Cyrillic domain names is an important one,
>>>>> and
>>>>> on
>>>>> his political agenda.
>>>>>
>>>>> „We believe that the initiative, which we discussed with our Russian
>>>>> friends in the last months, is a clear fact about the importance which
>>>>> Bulgaria has in the world Internet. It is an example not only about the
>>>>> historical meaning of the Cyrillic alphabet in the world arena, but
>>>>> also
>>>>> about the fact that through Bulgaria it became an official alphabet of
>>>>> the
>>>>> European Union. By sending this letter to Dr. Twomey – ICANN's
>>>>> president
>>>>> and
>>>>> my friend, SAITC expresses not only the wish, but the readiness to put
>>>>> the
>>>>> Cyrillic IDNs on the Internet map", says Plamen Vatchkov. „There's
>>>>> nothing
>>>>> more natural than the proposed domain to be the country code, which is
>>>>> already known and accepted in the country itself. Creating domains in
>>>>> scripts, different from the Latin, is the next big step in the
>>>>> development
>>>>> of the Internet, which will allow millions of people who don't use
>>>>> English
>>>>> to have easier access to the Global Net resources".
>>>>>
>>>>> SAITC is organizing a meeting later this year in Sofia, where all
>>>>> countries, using Cyrillic will be invited - Belarus, Bulgaria,
>>>>> Kazakhstan,
>>>>> Kyrgyzstan, Macedonia, Mongolia, Russia, Serbia, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan
>>>>> and
>>>>> Ukraine. The meeting will be dedicated to discussion about IDNs.
>>>>>
>>>>> for more information:
>>>>> Press Center
>>>>> phone +359-2-9492368
>>>>> "Ekaterina Popova" <epopova at daits.government.bg>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *Ms. Dessi Pefeva,
>>>>> Internet Society - Bulgaria*
>>>>>
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