[Chapter-delegates] Help urgent

Alejandro Pisanty apisan at servidor.unam.mx
Tue Feb 19 08:55:40 PST 2008 

Luis,

thanks a lot for providing additional views.

Let's take the dirty laundry home and seriously work on it.

Alejandro Pisanty


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On Tue, 19 Feb 2008, Luis Malpartida wrote:

> Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 10:55:39 -0500 (PET)
> From: Luis Malpartida <lmalpar at pucp.edu.pe>
> To: eduardo.diaz at isocpr.org
> Cc: chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org, fmonras at adda-multilingual.com,
>     m.a.g.j.leenaars at isoc.nl, peter.bakonyi at ihm.gov.hu, rajnesh at pataranet.com,
>     alebron at softekpr.com, info at isocnig.org.ng, mtodd at isoc-la.org,
>     secretaria at isoc-es.org, camilo.rueda at isoc-madrid.org,
>     diallo-iam at yahoo.com, bureau at isoc.nl, quaynor at ghana.com,
>     ivs at mnl.sequel.net, sek at isoc.de, patrick at isoc.lu,
>     secretary at ireland.isoc.org.ie, anne at isoc.org, amayorga at rtn.net.mx,
>     sec at kr.isoc.org, rishi at gipi.org.in, safa at madi.ps, qasim at isocpk.org,
>     chair at ireland.isoc.org, abir at isocpk.org, info at isoc.org.za
> Subject: Re: [Chapter-delegates] [iso-8859-1] Help urgent
> 
>
>
> Thanks Eduardo,
> (versión en español más abajo)
>
> My name is Luis Malpartida, from Peru. I was/am a member of the last Peruvian
> chapter \"in formation\" board. Jose Francisco was the last “elected president\".
> We were elected in 2006 for a period of three months and reelected four times
> until beginning 2007.
>
> Jose Francisco duties were to create the chapter, formalize it and make
> elections. However he didn\'t, time passed and (during 2007) he did not inform
> the members about his work. He just informed us about a trip he did to an ISOC
> meeting (probably in august).
>
> Last year, in November, he announced a new board was elected and that it would
> begin functions that month (probably while Sebastian Bachollet was visiting
> us). He also announced that according to ISOC directions we need to follow a
> very demanding evaluation process in order to evaluate if we could rejoin ISOC
> Peru.
>
> When the other members of ISOC Peru and I knew about Jose Francisco
> intentions; asked him when the elections occurred and who the members of the
> new board were. Of course, he could not organize elections without, at least,
> inform the other members of his board.
>
> After great pressure, Jose Francisco answered us that the new board would not
> begin functions. But since November, Jose Francisco has not informed us about
> his work, has changed the ISOC Peru web page removing all information about
> the members of the board, and has published a list of members without
> including the ones who elected him two years ago. We have never met the people
> who appear in the chapter page as members, except for Pedro Mantilla and
> Francisco Rubio.
>
> For those reasons, the other members of the board, elected with Jose Francisco
> in 2006, and the founder members of ISOC Peru, decided to removed him and
> elected an interim president for five months. The new president will be
> responsible for formalized the chapter, get recognition form ISOC, and make
> elections. Yesterday we sent emails to Sebastian Bellagamba telling him about
> these decisions, we also wrote Jose Francisco.
>
> We, in Peru, will gladly accept all your efforts in order to reestablish good
> chapter governance.
>
> Regards
> Luis Malpartida
>
> Gracias Eduardo,
>
> Mi nombre es Luis Malpartida, de Perú. Yo fui/soy miembro de la última
> directiva del capítulo Peruano “en formación”. Jose Francisco fue el
> último “presidente electo”. Fuimos elegidos en 2006 por un período de 3 meses
> y reelegidos 4 veces hasta inicios de 2007.
>
> Las responsabilidades de Jose Francisco fueron crear el capítulo, formalizarlo
> y convocar elecciones. Sin embargo no lo hizo, el tiempo pasó y (durante 2007)
> no informó a los miembros de sus avances. El sólo nos informo de un viaje que
> hizo a un meeting de ISOC (probablemente en agosto).
>
> El año pasado, en Noviembre, el anunció que  se había nombrado una nueva
> directiva y que la juramentación sería en noviembre (probablemente durante la
> visita de Sebastián Bachollet).
>
> El también anunció que de acuerdo a las directivas de ISOC, necesitábamos
> pasar por un exigente proceso de evaluación para determinar si éramos dignos
> de pertenecer a ISOC Perú.
>
> Cuando los otros miembros de ISOC Perú y yo supimos de estas intenciones, le
> preguntamos cuándo tuvieron lugar y quiénes eran los miembros de la nueva
> directiva. Por supuesto, el no podía organizar elecciones sin, al menos,
> informar a los otros miembros de la directiva.
>
> Después de gran presión Jose Francisco respondió diciendo que suspendía la
> juramentación de la nueva directiva. Sin embargo desde noviembre sigue sin
> informar sobre su trabajo, ha cambiado la página web de ISOC Perú quitando
> toda información de los miembros de la directiva, y ha publicado la lista de
> miembros sin incluir a aquellos que lo elegimos hace dos años. No conocemos a
> las personas que aparecen en la página web como miembros del capítulo, excepto
> a Pedro Mantilla y Francisco Rubio.
>
> En Perú, aceptamos gustosamente los esfuerzos de ISOC para reestablecer un
> gobierno transparente y democrático de ISOC Perú.
>
>
> Saludos
> Luis Malpartida
>
>
>
> ------ Mensaje original -------
> De : eduardo.diaz at isocpr.org
> Para : bellagamba at isoc.org, rosa at delgado.aero
> Fecha : Tue, 19 Feb 2008 08:05:52 -0400
> Asunto : Re: [Chapter-delegates] Help urgent
>> Can someone tell us what’s going on in Peru? This is the first time I hear
>> that something was happening there. I will be glad to participate in any
>> group to help mediate whatever.
>>
>>
>>
>> Eduardo Diaz
>>
>> ISOC Puerto Rico
>>
>>
>>
>> From: chapter-delegates-bounces at elists.isoc.org
>> [mailto:chapter-delegates-bounces at elists.isoc.org] On Behalf Of Sebastian
>> Bellagamba
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 7:07 AM
>> To: Rosa Delgado
>> Cc: Chapter Delegates; camilo.rueda at isoc-madrid.org;
>> fmonras at adda-multilingual.com; m.a.g.j.leenaars at isoc.nl;
>> peter.bakonyi at ihm.gov.hu; rajnesh at pataranet.com; safa at madi.ps; Archer
>> Lebron; info at isocnig.org.ng; mtodd at isoc-la.org; secretaria at isoc-es.org;
>> bureau at isoc.nl; diallo-iam at yahoo.com; Dr. Nii N. Quaynor;
>> ivs at mnl.sequel.net; sek at isoc.de; Patrick Vande Walle;
>> secretary at ireland.isoc.org.ie; anne at isoc.org; Alberto Mayorga Rios;
>> sec at kr.isoc.org; rishi at gipi.org.in; qasim at isocpk.org;
>> chair at ireland.isoc.org; abir at isocpk.org; info at isoc.org.za
>> Subject: Re: [Chapter-delegates] Help urgent
>>
>>
>>
>> (Spanish version below)
>>
>> Thank you, Rosa. This is a great suggestion. I will send an email to the
>> Latin America chapter delegates list looking for volunteers to this
>> mediation group. I also invite delegates from other regions to join the
>> group, I assume most of the communication will be mainly in Spanish. If you
>> wish to join, please email me to bellagamba at isoc.org.
>>
>>
>>
>> Gracias, Rosa. Es una excelente sugerencia. Voy a enviar un mail a la lista
>> de delegados de América Latina para pedir voluntarios para este grupo de
>> mediación. También están invitados a sumarse a este grupo delegados de otras
>> regiones, aunque asumo que las comunicaciones serán mayoritariamente en
>> español. Paea sumarse, por favor enviarme un email a bellagamba at isoc.org
>>
>>
>>
>> Gracias/Thank you
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sebastián Bellagamba
>>
>> bellagamba at isoc.org
>>
>> -------------------------------
>>
>> Manager Regional para América Latina y el Caribe
>>
>> Regional Manager for Latin America and the Caribbean
>>
>> ==================
>>
>> Internet Society
>>
>> www.isoc.org
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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>>
>>
>> On Feb 19, 2008, at 4:39 AM, Rosa Delgado wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks for your prompt response Alejandro.
>>
>>
>>
>> I would like to ask Jose Francisco to calm down. This is no good neither
>>
>> for ISOC or Peru.
>>
>>
>>
>> Let me suggsest to Sebastian Bellagamba to form a group with some Latin
>>
>> American chapters and others may want to join, as soon as possible. This
>>
>> group should be charged of mediating on this crucial problem.
>>
>> Unfortunatelly, this is no new. There has been some type of disfunction
>>
>> in the Peruvian chapter since the last two years. I have been following
>>
>> up the case but apparentlly is getting worse. I would like to offer to
>>
>> Sebastian, to be part of this group for my interest as peruvian and
>>
>> long-term ISOC member.
>>
>>
>>
>> Qusiera pedirle a Jose Francisco de calmarse. Esto no es bueno ni para
>>
>> ISOC ni para el Peru.
>>
>>
>>
>> Permitanme de sugerir a Sebastian Bellagamba de formar un grupo con
>>
>> algunos capitulos Latinoamericanos y ootros que quiseran unirse
>>
>> rapidamente. Este grupo debiera encargarse de mediar en este problema
>>
>> crucial. Desafortunadamente, esto no es nuevo. Ha habido algun tipo de
>>
>> desfuncionamiento en el capitulo peruano desde hace 2 anos. He seguido
>>
>> estos problemas, pero parece ser que estan cada vez peor. Me gustaria
>>
>> ofrecer a Sebatain ser parte de este grupo como peruana y miemblro de
>>
>> ISOC de muchos anos.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks and regards
>>
>>
>>
>> Rosa
>>
>>
>>
>> Alejandro Pisanty wrote:
>>
>> Dear Francisco,
>>
>>
>>
>> could you please provide more information?
>>
>>
>>
>> As Franck has said, some of us will gladly translate from Spanish to
>>
>> English.
>>
>>
>>
>> Please note that I am including Sebastian Bellagamba, regional liaison
>>
>> for Latin America and the Caribbean, as he may also be able to help
>>
>> clarify and in turn resolve the issues to which you are attracting our
>>
>> attention.
>>
>>
>>
>> Yours,
>>
>>
>>
>> Alejandro Pisanty
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
>>
>> Dr. Alejandro Pisanty
>>
>> Director General de Servicios de Computo Academico
>>
>> UNAM, Universidad Nacional Autonoma de Mexico
>>
>> Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico
>>
>> Tel. (+52-55) 5622-8541, 5622-8542 Fax 5622-8540
>>
>> http://www.dgsca.unam.mx
>>
>>
>>
>> *Mi blog/My blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com
>>
>> *LinkedIn profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty
>>
>> *Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn,
>>
>> http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>> Participa en ICANN, www.icann.org
>>
>> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 19 Feb 2008, Jose Francisco Callo Romero wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 01:42:07 +0000
>>
>> From: Jose Francisco Callo Romero <jfcallo at hotmail.com>
>>
>> To: Philippe Batreau <pbatreau at epistrophe.fr>,
>>
>> \'Chapter Delegates\' <chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>
>>
>> Cc: pk at isoc.de, sek at isoc.de, quaynor at ghana.com,
>>
>> yagoulis at city.academic.gr,
>>
>> mok at hknet.com, peter.bakonyi at ihm.gov.hu, rishi at gipi.org.in,
>>
>> secretary at ireland.isoc.org.ie, chair at ireland.isoc.org,
>>
>> doron at isoc.org.il,
>>
>> presidente at isoc.it, toru at riis.jp, sec at kr.isoc.org, patrick at isoc.lu,
>>
>> diallo-iam at yahoo.com, dave at isoc-mu.org, apisan at servidor.unam.mx,
>>
>> amayorga at rtn.net.mx, hilali at inpt.ac.ma, m.a.g.j.leenaars at isoc.nl,
>>
>> bureau at isoc.nl, alou at caramail.com, gmassari at danelec-ltd.com,
>>
>> info at isocnig.org.ng, rolf.nordhagen at usit.uio.no, rajnesh at pataranet.com,
>>
>> franck at sopac.org, qasim at isocpk.org, abir at isocpk.org, safa at madi.ps,
>>
>> ivs at mnl.sequel.net, saper at saper.info, alebron at softekpr.com,
>>
>> borka at e5.ijs.si, info at isoc.org.za, secretaria at isoc-es.org,
>>
>> fmonras at adda-multilingual.com, camilo.rueda at isoc-madrid.org,
>>
>> president at isoc.ch, mtodd at isoc-la.org, anne at isoc.org
>>
>> Subject: Help urgent
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Dear Members of ISOC I report to the entire Commonwealth of the
>>
>> Internet and call for solidarity and support of this Chapter Peru,
>>
>> which wants to be \"assaulted\" by people who never did anything, and
>>
>> that only seek their personal appetites. In a propotente mail was
>>
>> intended to usurp and deprive it of office as President
>>
>> organizational permission to exercise. Last year new members have
>>
>> joined with the purpose of providing a better dynamism and grow our
>>
>> Chapter. I appeal to the Internet community for their support and not
>>
>> to be surprised, as well as apply for recognition of our headquarters
>>
>> and the authentic and official Chapter of Peru, as well as the
>>
>> following members:
>>
>>
>>
>> MIEMBROS DE ISOC – CAPITULO DE PERU
>>
>>
>>
>> Germán Pérez Benítez
>>
>>
>>
>> Wilmer Arica Morales
>>
>>
>>
>> Ruddy Medina
>>
>>
>>
>> Cesar Flores Llontop
>>
>>
>>
>> Gustavo Castro Davila
>>
>>
>>
>> Helthon Fuentes Berrocal
>>
>>
>>
>> William Rey Rodriguez
>>
>>
>>
>> Erick Iriarte Ahon
>>
>>
>>
>> Freddi Vargas Vilchez
>>
>>
>>
>> Augusto Fernandez
>>
>>
>>
>> Alfredo Arnulfo
>>
>>
>>
>> Ricardo Dioses
>>
>>
>>
>> Roberto Huby Gonzales
>>
>>
>>
>> Marco Antonio Sagastegui
>>
>>
>>
>> José Alva
>>
>>
>>
>> Francisco Rubio Nieto
>>
>>
>>
>> José F. Callo Romero
>>
>>
>>
>> Miembro Honorario
>>
>>
>>
>> Phillipe Boland - Colombia
>>
>>
>>
>> Sebastian Bellagamba - Argentina
>>
>>
>>
>> Sebastian Bachollet - Francia
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you for your valuable help and cooperation. Our freedom of
>>
>> association are threatened by natural or bad kind.
>>
>>
>>
>> Jose F. Callo Romero
>>
>> Web Project Manager
>>
>> Presidente- ISOC Peru
>>
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