[Chapter-delegates] ISOC joins panel discussing future ofglobal Internet regulation
Mike Todd
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Fri Aug 15 11:41:00 PDT 2008
Siva and Alejandro,
I wonder if anyone has listened to top management folks in the past regarding the fact that ICANN never claimed to be an Internet Governance organization.
After all, their name is Internet Corporation for Assigned NAMES and NUMBERS!
If Jon Postel were still with us, I wonder how well is considered opinion would be received...
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----- Original Message -----
From: Sivasubramanian Muthusamy
To: Alejandro Pisanty
Cc: <chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>
Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 02:46
Subject: Re: [Chapter-delegates] ISOC joins panel discussing future ofglobal Internet regulation
Hello Alejandro Pisanty,
Reply at #
On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 12:37 PM, Alejandro Pisanty <apisan at servidor.unam.mx> wrote:
Siva,
IMO there is no single authoritative, relevant, high-quality online forum for this discussion.
There are a number of specialized discussion lists - a large number of examples exists under the ICANN umbrella, for instance, and some of the discussions are well worth reading and even participating.
ICANN's lists are authentic and businesslike but seem to be focussed on names and issues related to names. The issues related to names are merely a fraction of the overall tasks facing Internet Governance. The overall task is monumental and there is so much to be discussed.
There are a number of online discussions related to the IGF which in my view have proven repeatedly to be problematic in many ways. While considerations of bias and lack of tolerance to diversity of opinions may be subjective, some of these forums have proven objectively and explicitly to have frank and open opposition to membership and access to leadership positions by people related to organizations which ISOC supports (even if critically, but then the critique is open and does not interfere with the support.)
In various mailing lists the magnitude of the task of Governance often goes out of view. This apart, the constitution of the lists are not a balanced, and the groups are not heterogeneous to represent various interests in a balanced manner. Membership in several lists are not large enough to be taken to represent the views of the Internet Community. The discussions are steered in a certain way with little tolerance to views that would bring about a balance.
OTOH we do have this delegates list for discussion among a very broad set of viewpoints, and further there is the members' discussion list.
We as chapter delegates should feel the obligation to take many of our discussions to the membership list, as their conclusions are certain to be of interest to a broader community. Further, to the best I can remember, there is specifically a list for policy discussion among ISOC members.
# The chapter delegates list, the General Members list and any specialized lists related to policy are definitely forums that should open topics/ threads related to various issues. However it may not be too appropriate for the ISOC list to discuss issues that are potentially politicized . ISOC has to remain apolitical and neutral.
So, shoot, start a question either here or there and surely the discussion will not be boring.
Yes I have done that.
I already notice your question on Google, blogging, and India, so you may yourself have decided that this is indeed a good path to follow.
Thanks, I will start blogging and raise some questions at Linked In and elsewhere. We at ISOC Chennai, as an independant chapter can also think of setting up a moderated public forum at the chapter website to explore if we can get bloggers and students from around India to take part in discussions on Internet Governance..We have some student members with interest in webdesign helping with the chapter website is now online at http://isocindiachennai.in. The idea of a forum is a local project but the forums need not necessarily be closed for participation from general public from outside India. At least this would create some local awareness related to the Internet Governance to be held in India in December and would help a little bit in ensuring diversity of participation.
Yours,
Alejandro Pisanty
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On Thu, 14 Aug 2008, Sivasubramanian Muthusamy wrote:
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:04:31 +0530
From: Sivasubramanian Muthusamy <isolatedn at gmail.com>
To: Bill Graham <graham at isoc.org>
Cc: Alejandro Pisanty <apisan at servidor.unam.mx>,
"<chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>" <chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>
Subject: Re: [Chapter-delegates] ISOC joins panel discussing future of global
Internet regulation
Hello BIll Graham
What are the most authentic forums and email lists that bring together
important members of the Internet Community where policy related to
Governance issues get influenced / shaped ?
Is there a possibility of ISOC creating a Discussion Group / email list with
invitations extended to the balanced members of the Internet Community from
within and outside ISOC ?
Sivsubramanian Muthusamy
On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 7:46 PM, Bill Graham <graham at isoc.org> wrote:
Sure, Alejandro, happy to. By the way, Anne has kindly mounted the
presentation on the Chapters site -- and I now know how to do it
myself ;-)
Most of this will be covered in the newsletter in greater detail, but
in general I would say my takeaways were as follows:
-- Audience: US based lawyers are not surprisingly interested in
things that might affect their practices, largely by offering them new
lines of work. Their interest was therefore largely to do with things
that could end up in a court: fraud, phishing, privacy, and protection
of intellectual property rights. Their questions focused on those
items, as well as wondering what if any new kinds of judicial or quasi-
judicial bodies could emerge (such as the Council of Europe convention
on cybercrime, that has an increasing number of non-European
signatories -- see <>).
-- Markus Kummer (IGF Secretariat): nothing new here, but Markus
believes IGF is setting new benchmarks for multistakeholder engagement
in what would previously have been inter-governmental discussions. I
think he is right, which is one reason I think we in ISOC need to stay
engaged with IGF directly, but also with civil society and other
groups in the Internet community. Chapters will play an increasingly
important role in this as IGF-model meetings are now expanding at the
regional, national, and sub-national levels.
-- Paul Twomey (ICANN CEO): concentrated on the introduction of new
gTLDs, as a development of obvious interest for the legal community.
Beyond that, his comments focused on the recent ICANN consultation on
increasing institutional confidence, based on the President's Strategy
Committee report, and ICANN's preparations for the end of the joint
project agreement with the US government. He also responded to
questions about the security weekness in the DNS revealed last week,
and the importance of DNSSEC.
-- Dick Beaird (US Department of State): restated the United States
government position on Internet governance, and said that the 30 July
statement from Meredith Baker did not in any change the long standing
positions growing out of the original green and white papers of 1998.
He also talked about the ever-expanding importance of the Internet
economy, and walked through the outcomes of the OECD Ministerial
meeting in Seoul last June. You will recall that ISOC served the
Internet technical community by coordinating 17 organizations in
preparation of our memorandum to the ministers and of the preparation
of the 1-day Internet technical community forum.
So -- any new forces? Not really, but I believe the Bar Association
will be a more prominent participant in future IGF meetings, and we
can expect to see them offering fact-based workshops. I would not say
there is anything else that could be seen as reshaping the debate, but
then an annual conference would not normally be a place for that to
happen. I believe, however, that it is important for ISOC to take up
invitations to events like this. We reached a new audience with our
long-established positions, created awareness of our activities and
the visibility of ISOC as a player and partner in the Internet
governance universe. And, as you will see in the presentation, it
provides an opportunity to educate a new audience about the importance
of the open, collaborative Internet model, while drawing attention to
our major strategic initiatives. There was definite interest in the
Trust and Identity MSI, as well as the others. I hope it may attract
new org members from the legal community as well.
Best regards
Bill
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Bill Graham
Global Strategic Engagement
The Internet Society
graham at isoc.org
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+1.703.439.2157
On 13-Aug-08, at 9:02 PM, Alejandro Pisanty wrote:
Bill,
and, could you tell us in brief narrative what the event was like?
Are new forces visible that could reshape the debate, is there any
sign of upcoming progress, regression, or stalling?
I know the question may be too naive or the answer too candid for
public use ;-). But also I'm sure that many of our chapters could
use even a very politically correct statement.
Alejandro Pisanty
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Dr. Alejandro Pisanty
UNAM, Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico
Tels. +52-(1)-55-5105-6044, +52-(1)-55-5418-3732
*Mi blog/My blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com
*LinkedIn profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty
*Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn,
http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614
---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org
Participa en ICANN, http://www.icann.org
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
.
On Wed, 13 Aug 2008, Bill Graham wrote:
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 15:01:17 -0400
From: Bill Graham <graham at isoc.org>
To: WWWhatsup <joly at punkcast.com>
Cc: "<chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>" <
chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org
Subject: Re: [Chapter-delegates] ISOC joins panel discussing future
of global
Internet regulation
Just FYI -- I will get a copy of the presentation on the Chapters
site
as soon as I can educate myself as to how it works! I've also
prepared a story for this month's newsletter.
Bill
On 13-Aug-08, at 2:47 PM, WWWhatsup wrote:
I'm sorry. This escaped my notice. I would've gone and
videotaped had I known.
joly
Hello
Can you post the presentations / proceedings of this meeting on the
internet for us all to read ?
Sivasubramanian Muthusamy
India Chennai
The event "The Internet - How It is Governed Today and How it
May Be
Governed Tomorrow: A VIP Panel Discusses the Internet Governance
Forum of
the United Nations and the Global Debate About the Control and
Future of the
Internet" will be held by the American Bar Association (ABA) in
New York
City on Saturday 9 August 2008.
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