[Chapter-delegates] ISOC Business Rules

Tue Oct 16 14:44:16 PDT 2007

Hi Alejandro:

What an important point! Security, as Vittorio has pointed our repeatedly is 
a key issue that deserves a special treatment and attention.

One distributed data base system of sensible data as in this case, deserves 
to have more than one safe place in more than one country. Point one.

And point two, chapters can benefit with the remodeling of the rules or 
BRIMS, and specific data security recommendations and assistance should be 
given to them

Regards,

Enrique

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alejandro Pisanty" <apisan at servidor.unam.mx>
To: "Vittorio Bertola" <vb at bertola.eu>
Cc: "Terry Monroe" <Monroe at isoc.org>; "'Chapter Delegates'" 
<chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 11:29 AM
Subject: Re: [Chapter-delegates] ISOC Business Rules

Vittorio,

I think most of us will take your last sentence to mean you will offer a
counterdraft...

In many, many, maaaany of our chapters, data protection is a concern way
down the list. Just getting members to stay in a formal relationship with
the chapter is the main concern; getting them involved simultaneously with
the global organization follows; my educated guess is that money, and
having time to do the chapter's work, come next.

So most of all would benefit if the data-protection discussion were
separated into a new thread and see who else is really worried about this
at the level you are.

And we might need to make more progress in the discussion about the
questions above then.

¿Do others think differently?

Alejandro Pisanty

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On Tue, 16 Oct 2007, Vittorio Bertola wrote:

> Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 18:18:11 +0200
> From: Vittorio Bertola <vb at bertola.eu>
> To: Terry Monroe <Monroe at isoc.org>
> Cc: 'Chapter Delegates' <chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>
> Subject: Re: [Chapter-delegates] ISOC Business Rules
>
> Terry Monroe ha scritto:
>> 1) For the foreseeable future, ISOC Global membership will remain free,
>> though in the context of these business rules, it is not clear what 
>> impact
>> if any that has, since the rules talk more about relationships, and more 
>> so
>> in the context of how those relationships would impact the membership 
>> system
>> (i.e., if chapters and/or ISOC Global charges for membership, then that
>> becomes an issue as we revise the membership system).
>
> We would of course be concerned if people had to pay twice to two
> different entities, without being allowed to opt out of one of the two
> if they don't see any "value for money" in it.
>
> In any case, the point is really that we can't force anyone to subscribe
> to another organization if they don't want to - we can kick them out,
> possibly (though that will require a modification of our Charter, I
> presume) but that's always an unpleasant situation. We can use moral
> suasion so to ensure that everyone signs up for global membership, but
> we can't guarantee that it will work.
>
>> 2) Several chapter delegates have raised the issue of having a 
>> distributed
>> membership system, and that is something we will examine as we move 
>> forward
>> with the review of the membership system.
>
> Solving the issue of data protection concerns would certainly help in
> getting everyone's consensus to the double subscription. Though legally
> it doesn't make a difference, in terms of concerns it also depends on
> how much information - whether you just want the name and the email
> address, or you want all the information e.g. about birth date, postal
> address etc.
>
> I hope that this doesn't sound provocative, but if ISOC as a global
> organization has just one database, it should have it in the country
> that offers more protection to the members, not in the one that offers 
> less.
>
>> 3) Yes, the goal is to continue the move towards automated, online
>> membership sign-up and renewal. Streamling the system this way (rather 
>> than
>> having paper applications or emails to ISOC global, which then require
>> retyping the information into the system) will speed up the process and 
>> also
>> minimize errors.
>
> What I would ask is that each chapter's secretariat, if so authorized by
> the final user, can take care of the procedures in the membership
> system. That would help with all those members who do not manage their
> subscription online (usually, the more senior they are, the less likely
> they are to do this kind of things themselves - I think of senior
> officers of governments and companies, or university professors - in my
> experience, at least here, many of them won't have the time or the
> willingness to manage this kind of things themselves).
>
>> 4) Regarding the principle of reaffirming membership, we would expect 
>> that
>> could occur as spelled out in 2.1 of the busienss rules (for renewal
>> dates)...again, the point here is that we are trying to simply the 
>> process,
>> so if one chapter wishes to have its members reaffirm in January, and
>> another in March, that is fine with us, provided all individulas reaffirm
>> their membership annually.
>
> Same as above - if our secretariat makes a phone call to an expiring
> member and he says "sure, I renew, I'll give you the money by hand at
> whatever conference we meet in the future", that should be a valid
> renewal procedure as long as the secretariat records the matter in the
> system.
>
>> 5) Regarding email, as it is our primary means of communications with
>> members, it is importance that the information be accurate.
>
> Ok, point taken. Just wondering what happens if people do not have a
> unique email. And please ensure that it doesn't get disclosed
> inappropriately (the privacy statement at isoc.org is fine, I'm just
> raising the flag).
>
>> Let me know how I can be of further assistance and thanks again for
>> participating.
>
> Perhaps we can start working on possible changes to the text to
> accommodate some of the concerns?
>
> Regards,
> -- 
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