[Chapter-delegates] ISOC-NY discusses at-large membership of ICANN

[Veni Markovski]

Danny,
it's not a secret that you have feelings for the analog model. And 
it's not a secret you don't want the ALAC to be successful. Not only 
that, you are trying actively to tell the people they should not 
participate in the ALAC. I have had problems understanding your point 
of view, including the one published on youtube 
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4917641518036309218

The problem is, as usual, that besides criticism, you do not offer 
real possibilities for normal users (non-commercial registrants, 
people who care about the Internet, users) to be part of the process 
of global governance of the Internet. The new, digital, generation 
can and will make a difference by active participation, not by active 
writing of words and criticism. You can decide to be part of this 
process, or part of the landscape - and this will be your choice, not ours.

And by the way, considering that ISOC chapters in Europe are 
conspiring to "capture the process" shows not what happens in Europe, 
but what you think happens there. Your understanding of the processes 
in Europe is, hm, wrong. You believe in something that does not 
exist. The chapters in Europe represent different ideas, different 
cultures, different users, with different needs. To believe in what 
you write, is just quite incorrect.

I will stop at this point, as it's too late, and I am tired, but I 
believe that my European colleagues would support me in not sharing 
your concerns. You look at this new thing, and see only black and 
negative. We are more positive in Europe. Perhaps you should spend 
more time thinking (and reading) what are the real problems of the 
Internet users in the world, and not the problems of the commercial 
registrants in the US.

Best,
Veni

At 11:59 AM 3/30/2007  -0700, Danny Younger wrote:
>Patrick,
>
>I am equally convinced that self-interest is
>motivating this participatory exercise rather than
>concern for the at-large community.  I see no
>provisions in the EURALO MOU or other pertinent
>documents that guard against capture by a
>self-interested faction.  ISOC chapters now constitute
>eight out of the 17 At-Large Structures in Europe. Get
>one more to join and you will have effectively
>captured the process.
>
>Meanwhile, this EURALO does not provide any voting
>rights to individuals, the very people that it
>purportedly represents, and in fact has provisions to
>prevent any individual not affiliated with an
>organization from being elected as a representative.
>
>As far as I am concerned, ALAC members (including the
>new ones) don't have the interests of the average
>registrant/user at heart.  The people behind this
>initiative are civil society types that would rather
>argue the nuances of internet government theory than
>roll up their sleeves and tackle the operational
>issues that affect the rest of us.
>
>Sorry, but I've heard the essence of your remarks too
>often without seeing results.  The constant refrain
>has been, we need more time, we need more outreach, we
>need more funding, we need this, we need that, we have
>new members that need to get up to speed, we need to
>formalize our rules, we need to set up a new website,
>and another and another (the ALAC now has 5 websites
>and two dozen non-productive lists), etc. etc. etc...
>
>
>In the meantime, problems are not getting fixed.
>Research isn't being conducted, working groups aren't
>being formed.  But all of you are ready to charge down
>to Rio for the IGF.
>
>Sorry, but as much as you would like to believe that
>you are the at-large, you are not.  You are
>well-meaning organizations that should be signed up
>instead within ICANN's Non-Commercial Constituency.
>You don't represent us or those that previously
>elected Andy-Mueller Maguhn to serve on the Board.
>
>The At-large is more than a few Civil Society
>organizations.  We are the people whose very
>livelihoods can be destroyed by the failure of a
>single registrar.  We can't risk having those without
>a passion for our interests pretend to represent us --
>the stakes are too high.
>
>
>
>--- Patrick Vande Walle <patrick at vande-walle.eu>
>wrote:
>
> > Danny,
> >
> > I  noticed your concern about the lack of past
> > achievements of the
> > ALAC.  Altjoigh our chapter has been an ALS for 3
> > years, it has only
> > been the last 6 top 9 months that we were given the
> > necessary tools to
> > actively paticipate. This is the case for most
> > RALOs. Hence, I guess the
> > blame should not be on us, but rather on the "old
> > guard.
> >
> > This is why I pointed out that there will be many
> > new people on the
> > committee in the coming months.  I am pretty
> > confident that both the
> > RALOs and the renewed ALAC  will strive to make the
> > process work and
> > deliver the content in the future.
> >
> > Danny Younger wrote:
> > > Patrick,
> > >
> > > Please take note of the letter I just sent to the
> > > North American At-Large list:
> > >
> > --
> > Patrick Vande Walle
> > Check my blog at http://patrick.vande-walle.eu
> > Jabber me at patrick at vande-walle.eu
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
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