[Chapter-delegates] ISOC Board next meeting -- NET NEUTRALITY
Christian de Larrinaga
cdel at firsthand.net
Tue May 16 08:29:27 PDT 2006
There needs to be some defined terms that do mean something useful in
describing an environment where innovation, user control over their
communications and pervasive access to networks abounds. ISOC can be
a very useful contributor to this by defining and then explaining
such useful definitions.
Christian
On 16 May 2006, at 14:45, Michael R Nelson wrote:
> That's true. The phrases "technology neutrality" and "regulate like
> services alike" have done a lot of damage--and led to the extension
> of regulation onto various Internet services (including VoIP).
>
> Rather than talk about "Net Neutrality," I much prefer to focus on
> the ISOC terms: "openness" and "end-to-end" and "innovation"
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> Mike,
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> thanks a lot for this shift of focus.
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> Something many Internet people do not like at all is that in many
> countries and contexts, mention of "neutrality" immediately starts the
> regulators thinking "voice is voice" with a well-known damage to all
> things VoIP.
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> Alejandro Pisanty
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> On Tue, 16 May 2006, Michael R Nelson wrote:
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> > Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 08:50:50 -0400
> > From: Michael R Nelson <mrn at us.ibm.com>
> > To: isoc Delegates Chapter <chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>,
> > chapter-delegates-bounces at elists.isoc.org, fred at cisco.com,
> > shears at isoc.org, Steve Crocker <steve at shinkuro.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Chapter-delegates] ISOC Board next meeting -- NET
> NEUTRALITY
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> > I see several problems with focusing just on "Net neutrality."
> First off,
> > the term is much more popular in the US than elsewhere. Second,
> the term
> > is defined in at least four different ways. Third, when you use
> the phrase
> > "Net neutrality," the debate automatically turns to the question
> of whether
> > regulation is needed to specify the architecture and
> interconnection rules
> > for the Internet.
> >
> > I believe it's far more important to ensure "Network choice" and
> foster
> > competition. If there is vigorous competition between ISPs,
> telcos, and
> > cable companies, then Net neutrality will be the market result (and
> > legislation won't be needed).
> >
> > I'd rather see ISOC write a paper or take a position on "Telecom
> > Competition: Ensuring Net Neutrality and Network Choice"
> >
> > That also puts more focus on user needs (rather than the needs of
> Google,
> > Yahoo, and other content creators).
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> > Michael R. Nelson
> > Director, Internet Technology and Strategy
> > IBM Corporation
> > and
> > Vice President, Policy
> > Internet Society
> > 1301 K St., N.W., Suite 1200
> > Washington, DC 20005
> > 202-515-5137
> > cell 703-598-5187
> > mrn at us.ibm.com
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> >
> > Steve Crocker
> > <steve at shinkuro.c
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> > Re: [Chapter-delegates]
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> > 05/16/2006 08:10 next meeting -- NET NEUTRALITY
> > AM
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> > Matthew,
> >
> > This works for me. Thanks.
> >
> > Steve
> >
> >
> > Steve Crocker
> > steve at shinkuro.com
> >
> > Try Shinkuro's collaboration technology. Visit www.shinkuro.com. I
> > am steve!shinkuro.com.
> >
> >
> > On May 16, 2006, at 8:07 AM, shears at isoc.org wrote:
> >
> >> Steve, Gene, all,
> >>
> >> Many thanks for kicking this off. I would like to move this
> >> discussion
> >> over to the memberpubpol list and build upon it.
> >>
> >> I shall carry this thread over and look forward, as Steve says,
> to a
> >> "careful, informed discussion and consideration of what ISOC might
> >> usefully do in this area."
> >>
> >> I will also post some interesting links as much has been written on
> >> this
> >> issue and encourage others to do so.
> >>
> >> Best.
> >>
> >> Matthew
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: "Steve Crocker" <steve at shinkuro.com>
> >> Sent: Tue, May 16, 2006 13:11
> >> To: "isoc Delegates Chapter" <chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>
> >> Subject: Re: [Chapter-delegates] ISOC Board next meeting -- NET
> >> NEUTRALITY
> >>
> >> As an outgoing board member I've been inclined to be reticent, but
> >> this particular issue resonates very strongly with me. When the
> U.S.
> >> Supreme Court decided last year that major providers could control
> >> the content of what's delivered over their pipes, on the theory
> that
> >> competition existed, I came to the conclusion that this is
> indeed an
> >> important issue and one that is very appropriate for ISOC to
> support.
> >>
> >> I've said this in private but haven't spent much time pushing on
> it,
> >> and I applaud the discussion here. I think this is a very good
> time
> >> to raise this, and I strongly support having a careful, informed
> >> discussion and consideration of what ISOC might usefully do in this
> >> area.
> >>
> >> Steve
> >>
> >> Steve Crocker
> >> steve at shinkuro.com
> >>
> >> Try Shinkuro's collaboration technology. Visit
> www.shinkuro.com. I
> >> am steve!shinkuro.com.
> >>
> >>
> >> On May 16, 2006, at 6:46 AM, Gene Gaines wrote:
> >>
> >>> ARE THERE ANY OBJECTIONS TO RECOMMENDING TO THE ISOC BOARD OF
> >>> TRUSTEES THAT A POSITION ON "INTERNET NETWORK NEUTRALITY"
> >>> BE GIVEN HIGH PRIORITY?
> >>>
> >>> Alan, thanks for the good statement from Wikipedia (below),
> >>> hope to hear more from you.
> >>>
> >>> Gene Gaines
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Tuesday, May 16, 2006, 3:09:24 AM, Alan wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Gene,
> >>>
> >>>> On 15 May 2006, at 6:08 PM, Gene Gaines wrote:
> >>>>> I wish to propose an item to be discussed: NETWORK NEUTRALITY.
> >>>
> >>>> I support this in terms of the article http://en.wikipedia.org/
> wiki/
> >>>> Network_neutrality
> >>>
> >>>> Veni asked for steps, I suggest that a position statement in
> support
> >>>> of this principle will be a great start. Wikipedia mentions
> >>>> "Neutrality as law:
> >>>> Net neutrality has been instantiated into law in many countries,
> >>>> including the United Kingdom, South Korea, and Japan. In the
> United
> >>>> States, there are no laws that instantiate net neutrality as a
> >>>> telecommunications standard. Many advocates, however, have spoken
> >>>> loudly on its behalf. This, combined with worries over
> favoritism by
> >>>> telecoms, prompted Congress to begin hearings on the subject."
> >>>
> >>>>> For discussion... Perhaps organizations that take positions
> >>>>> against this vision should not be permitted to be ISOC members?
> >>>>> Comments?
> >>>
> >>>> ISOC-ZA has no organisations as members. Organisations
> (business and
> >>>> government) are supporters of our projects, and partners, but as
> >>>> civil society we have a policy against this, in case of private
> >>>> interest conflicting with the community.
> >>>
> >>>> I apologise for my lack of participation in the past few
> months, we
> >>>> have had some mail issues.
> >>>
> >>>> warm regards,
> >>>
> >>>> aLan
> >>>> ISOC-ZA
> >>>
> >>>>> On Thursday, May 11, 2006, 7:07:03 AM, Franck wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> To all ISOC members,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> The next board of Trustees from ISOC will be on the 1st July
> >>>>>> 2006 in
> >>>>>> Marrakesh. You can read the previous minutes of the board
> and its
> >>>>>> past
> >>>>>> resolutions on the ISOC web site. To submit an item to be
> >>>>>> discussed by
> >>>>>> the board it must be submitted by a trustee at least 4 weeks
> >>>>>> before the
> >>>>>> board. As trustees, we would like to know from you before
> the end
> >>>>>> of the
> >>>>>> month of May, if there is any specific topic you would like
> us to
> >>>>>> discuss
> >>>>>> at the board.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Sincerely,
> >>>>>> Franck, Patrick & Veni
> >>>>>
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