[Chapter-delegates] ISOC Board next meeting -- NET NEUTRALITY
Steve Crocker
steve at shinkuro.com
Tue May 16 07:09:01 PDT 2006
I have no problem with the response that "network neutrality" may be
the wrong term and invite regulators to misinterpret both the problem
and the solution. That said, I think we also need to speak plainly
and directly so there's no misunderstanding of what we're talking
about. Terms like "openness" and "end-to-end" and "innovation" are
delightfully malleable and can mean whatever the speaker chooses them
to mean.
Steve
Steve Crocker
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On May 16, 2006, at 9:45 AM, Michael R Nelson wrote:
> That's true. The phrases "technology neutrality" and "regulate like
> services alike" have done a lot of damage--and led to the extension
> of regulation onto various Internet services (including VoIP).
>
> Rather than talk about "Net Neutrality," I much prefer to focus on
> the ISOC terms: "openness" and "end-to-end" and "innovation"
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> Mike,
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> thanks a lot for this shift of focus.
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> Something many Internet people do not like at all is that in many
> countries and contexts, mention of "neutrality" immediately starts the
> regulators thinking "voice is voice" with a well-known damage to all
> things VoIP.
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> On Tue, 16 May 2006, Michael R Nelson wrote:
>
> > Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 08:50:50 -0400
> > From: Michael R Nelson <mrn at us.ibm.com>
> > To: isoc Delegates Chapter <chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>,
> > chapter-delegates-bounces at elists.isoc.org, fred at cisco.com,
> > shears at isoc.org, Steve Crocker <steve at shinkuro.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Chapter-delegates] ISOC Board next meeting -- NET
> NEUTRALITY
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> > I see several problems with focusing just on "Net neutrality."
> First off,
> > the term is much more popular in the US than elsewhere. Second,
> the term
> > is defined in at least four different ways. Third, when you use
> the phrase
> > "Net neutrality," the debate automatically turns to the question
> of whether
> > regulation is needed to specify the architecture and
> interconnection rules
> > for the Internet.
> >
> > I believe it's far more important to ensure "Network choice" and
> foster
> > competition. If there is vigorous competition between ISPs,
> telcos, and
> > cable companies, then Net neutrality will be the market result (and
> > legislation won't be needed).
> >
> > I'd rather see ISOC write a paper or take a position on "Telecom
> > Competition: Ensuring Net Neutrality and Network Choice"
> >
> > That also puts more focus on user needs (rather than the needs of
> Google,
> > Yahoo, and other content creators).
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> > Michael R. Nelson
> > Director, Internet Technology and Strategy
> > IBM Corporation
> > and
> > Vice President, Policy
> > Internet Society
> > 1301 K St., N.W., Suite 1200
> > Washington, DC 20005
> > 202-515-5137
> > cell 703-598-5187
> > mrn at us.ibm.com
> >
> >
> >
> > Steve Crocker
> > <steve at shinkuro.c
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> > Re: [Chapter-delegates]
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> > 05/16/2006 08:10 next meeting -- NET NEUTRALITY
> > AM
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> > Matthew,
> >
> > This works for me. Thanks.
> >
> > Steve
> >
> >
> > Steve Crocker
> > steve at shinkuro.com
> >
> > Try Shinkuro's collaboration technology. Visit www.shinkuro.com. I
> > am steve!shinkuro.com.
> >
> >
> > On May 16, 2006, at 8:07 AM, shears at isoc.org wrote:
> >
> >> Steve, Gene, all,
> >>
> >> Many thanks for kicking this off. I would like to move this
> >> discussion
> >> over to the memberpubpol list and build upon it.
> >>
> >> I shall carry this thread over and look forward, as Steve says,
> to a
> >> "careful, informed discussion and consideration of what ISOC might
> >> usefully do in this area."
> >>
> >> I will also post some interesting links as much has been written on
> >> this
> >> issue and encourage others to do so.
> >>
> >> Best.
> >>
> >> Matthew
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: "Steve Crocker" <steve at shinkuro.com>
> >> Sent: Tue, May 16, 2006 13:11
> >> To: "isoc Delegates Chapter" <chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>
> >> Subject: Re: [Chapter-delegates] ISOC Board next meeting -- NET
> >> NEUTRALITY
> >>
> >> As an outgoing board member I've been inclined to be reticent, but
> >> this particular issue resonates very strongly with me. When the
> U.S.
> >> Supreme Court decided last year that major providers could control
> >> the content of what's delivered over their pipes, on the theory
> that
> >> competition existed, I came to the conclusion that this is
> indeed an
> >> important issue and one that is very appropriate for ISOC to
> support.
> >>
> >> I've said this in private but haven't spent much time pushing on
> it,
> >> and I applaud the discussion here. I think this is a very good
> time
> >> to raise this, and I strongly support having a careful, informed
> >> discussion and consideration of what ISOC might usefully do in this
> >> area.
> >>
> >> Steve
> >>
> >> Steve Crocker
> >> steve at shinkuro.com
> >>
> >> Try Shinkuro's collaboration technology. Visit
> www.shinkuro.com. I
> >> am steve!shinkuro.com.
> >>
> >>
> >> On May 16, 2006, at 6:46 AM, Gene Gaines wrote:
> >>
> >>> ARE THERE ANY OBJECTIONS TO RECOMMENDING TO THE ISOC BOARD OF
> >>> TRUSTEES THAT A POSITION ON "INTERNET NETWORK NEUTRALITY"
> >>> BE GIVEN HIGH PRIORITY?
> >>>
> >>> Alan, thanks for the good statement from Wikipedia (below),
> >>> hope to hear more from you.
> >>>
> >>> Gene Gaines
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Tuesday, May 16, 2006, 3:09:24 AM, Alan wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Gene,
> >>>
> >>>> On 15 May 2006, at 6:08 PM, Gene Gaines wrote:
> >>>>> I wish to propose an item to be discussed: NETWORK NEUTRALITY.
> >>>
> >>>> I support this in terms of the article http://en.wikipedia.org/
> wiki/
> >>>> Network_neutrality
> >>>
> >>>> Veni asked for steps, I suggest that a position statement in
> support
> >>>> of this principle will be a great start. Wikipedia mentions
> >>>> "Neutrality as law:
> >>>> Net neutrality has been instantiated into law in many countries,
> >>>> including the United Kingdom, South Korea, and Japan. In the
> United
> >>>> States, there are no laws that instantiate net neutrality as a
> >>>> telecommunications standard. Many advocates, however, have spoken
> >>>> loudly on its behalf. This, combined with worries over
> favoritism by
> >>>> telecoms, prompted Congress to begin hearings on the subject."
> >>>
> >>>>> For discussion... Perhaps organizations that take positions
> >>>>> against this vision should not be permitted to be ISOC members?
> >>>>> Comments?
> >>>
> >>>> ISOC-ZA has no organisations as members. Organisations
> (business and
> >>>> government) are supporters of our projects, and partners, but as
> >>>> civil society we have a policy against this, in case of private
> >>>> interest conflicting with the community.
> >>>
> >>>> I apologise for my lack of participation in the past few
> months, we
> >>>> have had some mail issues.
> >>>
> >>>> warm regards,
> >>>
> >>>> aLan
> >>>> ISOC-ZA
> >>>
> >>>>> On Thursday, May 11, 2006, 7:07:03 AM, Franck wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> To all ISOC members,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> The next board of Trustees from ISOC will be on the 1st July
> >>>>>> 2006 in
> >>>>>> Marrakesh. You can read the previous minutes of the board
> and its
> >>>>>> past
> >>>>>> resolutions on the ISOC web site. To submit an item to be
> >>>>>> discussed by
> >>>>>> the board it must be submitted by a trustee at least 4 weeks
> >>>>>> before the
> >>>>>> board. As trustees, we would like to know from you before
> the end
> >>>>>> of the
> >>>>>> month of May, if there is any specific topic you would like
> us to
> >>>>>> discuss
> >>>>>> at the board.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Sincerely,
> >>>>>> Franck, Patrick & Veni
> >>>>>
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