[Chapter-delegates] Welcome again...

Fri Apr 21 17:48:46 PDT 2006

Jeffrey,

to lead this discussion towards a more friendly place, I would beg you to 
consider that several of us who live outside the US travel there often, 
are by necessity immersed in US news, law, and general practice. To quote 
two of the participants in this dialogue, I know that I spent the last 
week in Colorado and Veni in Arizona (Veni, hope you forgive the 
indiscretion), and you may start asking Veni about places to eat in New 
York too. For many of the chapter leaders I know, the cross-cultural 
factors are truly mind-boggling.

Surely there is nothing demeaning in insisting that the fascinating global 
character of the Internet does make Boise, Raleigh, and what's-its-name 
Triangle Park much closer to the places where history was made. What we 
have been doing among chapters here has truly shortened the distances 
among the people who form them, and many others around us. A basic 
assumption has been profound respect to the roots and history we all have. 
I might tempt fate by mentioning fellow chapter leaders like Bill Slater 
as bridge-builders across our many cultures.

Re country names, Fred has summed it up.

Yours,

Alejandro Pisanty

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On Fri, 21 Apr 2006, Jeffrey Sherman wrote:

> Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:53:42 -0700
> From: Jeffrey Sherman <Jeff at warever.com>
> To: chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org
> Subject: Re: [Chapter-delegates] Welcome again...
> 
> Evidently, you missed my point completely... the point being that it really doesn't matter what the CHAPTER name should be - and that certainly, it isn't a matter for discussion of the COUNTRY name on here.  It simply doesn't relate to ISOC, period.
>
> The fact that the US calls the country one thing and the EU calls it another simply points to the fact that there's often more than one way of addressing a person, an organization, or a country.  Since there ARE multiple ways of addressing, it isn't really that important what a chapter might be called as long as it isn't deceitful (such as a chapter based in Rome being called "ISOC London")
>
> It most CERTAINLY isn't up to YOU to decide what the chapter name should be.  Unless I'm mistaken, they decided THEMSELVES what they want to call the chapter - and the rest of us should simply let it stand at that.  I'm not arguing that it should be one or the other; I'm arguing simply that there's more than one name and so the CHAPTER should decide - not anyone on here.
>
> And except that I made a typo and skipped the "S", I just double-checked with my fiancée who was born and raised in "Deutschland" and that IS, in fact, what they call it.
>
> As for me (and presumably most "Americans" as we're generally called) not intimately knowing the geography of Eastern Europe, I'd seriously doubt that YOU could pinpoint, say, the state of Idaho on a map, or differentiate between the states of North and South Carolina.
>
> Jeffrey Sherman
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Erkki I. Kolehmainen [mailto:eik at iki.fi]
> Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 1:38 PM
> To: 'Veni Markovski'; Jeffrey Sherman; chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org
> Subject: VS: [Chapter-delegates] Welcome again...
>
> This is one of the occasions where I fully agree with Veni - on, whether
> this discussion is for this mailing list, but not necessarily on all of his
> other points, not to be discussed on this list.
>
> Regards,
>
> Erkki I. Kolehmainen
>
> -----Alkuperainen viesti-----
> Lahettaja: Veni Markovski [mailto:veni at veni.com]
> Lahetetty: 21. huhtikuuta 2006 22:22
> Vastaanottaja: Erkki I. Kolehmainen; 'Jeffrey Sherman';
> chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org
> Aihe: Re: [Chapter-delegates] Welcome again...
>
>
> At 08:56 PM 21.4.2006 '?.'  +0300, Erkki I. Kolehmainen wrote:
>> Please be serious.
>
> Dear colleagues,
> Please, please. I am not sure that this discussion is for this mailing list.
>
> Here are my two cents, as someone who is quite familiar with the
> situation around the name, the chapters, the relations between Greece
> and FYROM, and between Macedonia and Bulgaria (by coincidence, today
> a number of Bulgarian ministers met with a number of their colleagues
> from Macedonia), but also about the creation of the Macedonian
> nation, language and state... as probably not that many people on
> this list. In fact me and my family are part of this history. If
> someone is more interested, drop me a personal note, as I really
> don't see a reason to discuss this on the mailing list. If I am
> mistaken, please, let me know.
>
> Nikos is quite right that the name used by the UN and EU is FYROM. At
> the same time a number of countries (among them Bulgaria, which has
> another long-lasting discussion with Macedonia about the language
> used there) have recognized Macedonia with its "constitutional name".
> Well, Bulgaria didn't recognize the Macedonian language, so some
> agreements between the two countries were discussed to be signed and
> in their text it says, "the agreements are written in the
> "constitutional languages" of the two countries" (and not "in
> Bulgarian and Macedonian")
>
> Sooner or later, Greece and FYROM will find a solution to this
> problem, and this is an issue only among themselves.I believe our
> Greek colleagues have the right to use tha name "Macedonia, the
> Former Yugoslav Republic of" (as it's at the IANA web site), or just
> FYROM, while others can use the name upon our colleagues have
> established themselves.
>
> In anycase, the Greek ISOC chapter supported the creation of their
> Northern neighbours chapter, which is the important issue.
>
> best,
> Veni
>
>
>
>
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