[Chapter-delegates] Welcome again...

[Jeffrey Sherman]

Evidently, you missed my point completely... the point being that it really doesn't matter what the CHAPTER name should be - and that certainly, it isn't a matter for discussion of the COUNTRY name on here.  It simply doesn't relate to ISOC, period.

The fact that the US calls the country one thing and the EU calls it another simply points to the fact that there's often more than one way of addressing a person, an organization, or a country.  Since there ARE multiple ways of addressing, it isn't really that important what a chapter might be called as long as it isn't deceitful (such as a chapter based in Rome being called "ISOC London")

It most CERTAINLY isn't up to YOU to decide what the chapter name should be.  Unless I'm mistaken, they decided THEMSELVES what they want to call the chapter - and the rest of us should simply let it stand at that.  I'm not arguing that it should be one or the other; I'm arguing simply that there's more than one name and so the CHAPTER should decide - not anyone on here.

And except that I made a typo and skipped the "S", I just double-checked with my fiancée who was born and raised in "Deutschland" and that IS, in fact, what they call it.

As for me (and presumably most "Americans" as we're generally called) not intimately knowing the geography of Eastern Europe, I'd seriously doubt that YOU could pinpoint, say, the state of Idaho on a map, or differentiate between the states of North and South Carolina.

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-----Original Message-----
From: Erkki I. Kolehmainen [mailto:eik at iki.fi] 
Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 1:38 PM
To: 'Veni Markovski'; Jeffrey Sherman; chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org
Subject: VS: [Chapter-delegates] Welcome again...

This is one of the occasions where I fully agree with Veni - on, whether
this discussion is for this mailing list, but not necessarily on all of his
other points, not to be discussed on this list.

Regards,

Erkki I. Kolehmainen

-----Alkuperainen viesti-----
Lahettaja: Veni Markovski [mailto:veni at veni.com] 
Lahetetty: 21. huhtikuuta 2006 22:22
Vastaanottaja: Erkki I. Kolehmainen; 'Jeffrey Sherman';
chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org
Aihe: Re: [Chapter-delegates] Welcome again...


At 08:56 PM 21.4.2006 '?.'  +0300, Erkki I. Kolehmainen wrote:
>Please be serious.

Dear colleagues,
Please, please. I am not sure that this discussion is for this mailing list.

Here are my two cents, as someone who is quite familiar with the 
situation around the name, the chapters, the relations between Greece 
and FYROM, and between Macedonia and Bulgaria (by coincidence, today 
a number of Bulgarian ministers met with a number of their colleagues 
from Macedonia), but also about the creation of the Macedonian 
nation, language and state... as probably not that many people on 
this list. In fact me and my family are part of this history. If 
someone is more interested, drop me a personal note, as I really 
don't see a reason to discuss this on the mailing list. If I am 
mistaken, please, let me know.

Nikos is quite right that the name used by the UN and EU is FYROM. At 
the same time a number of countries (among them Bulgaria, which has 
another long-lasting discussion with Macedonia about the language 
used there) have recognized Macedonia with its "constitutional name". 
Well, Bulgaria didn't recognize the Macedonian language, so some 
agreements between the two countries were discussed to be signed and 
in their text it says, "the agreements are written in the 
"constitutional languages" of the two countries" (and not "in 
Bulgarian and Macedonian")

Sooner or later, Greece and FYROM will find a solution to this 
problem, and this is an issue only among themselves.I believe our 
Greek colleagues have the right to use tha name "Macedonia, the 
Former Yugoslav Republic of" (as it's at the IANA web site), or just 
FYROM, while others can use the name upon our colleagues have 
established themselves.

In anycase, the Greek ISOC chapter supported the creation of their 
Northern neighbours chapter, which is the important issue.

best,
Veni