[chapter-delegates] Re: Real-Time Meeting with ISOC Real-People :-)
Gene Gaines
gene.gaines at gainesgroup.com
Sat Mar 5 03:49:34 PST 2005
Andreu, all,
I am pleased that Fred Baker would like to participate
in the real-time chat meeting.
With respect for Fred as Chairman of ISOC, because he
cannot be available March 15, I suggest we postpone the
real-time chat for one week, until March 23.
What do you think about having an informal "trial" chat
meeting on March 15, to give everyone a chance to work
out problems in joining the session.
Also, in the March 15 chat our three chapter representatives
on the ISOC Board could give us a quick summary of the
ISOC Board Meeting they will attend in Minneapolis MN USA
on March 11 and 12.
My suggestion:
March 15 chat: Trial session, everyone introduces them
selves, quick report from chapter representatives on
the ISOC Minneapolis board meeting.
March 23 chat: Introduce Fred Baker, perhaps make some
decisions or consensus on issues raised in March 15
chat. Presentation of the ISOC tsunami initiative.
I have one fear about holding chats. What about chapters
that do not have the computer power or bandwidth? Perhaps we
should offer to send to everyone joining the chat a written
statement from any chapter-delegate who cannot join the chat?
This would be easy to accomplish -- just an email -- to give
voice to everyone.
Gene
gene.gaines at gainesgroup.com
On Friday, March 4, 2005, 7:37:41 PM, Baker wrote:
> I personally won't be able to make that. On 15 March I will be in
> Washington DC visiting various and sundry, and at that instant will be
> deep in the bowels of a large five-sided building...
> However, please feel free to hold this without me.
> Another possibility would be to hold it a week later, when I am at home
> in Santa Barbara California.
> On Mar 4, 2005, at 4:16 PM, Andreu Vea' wrote:
>> Dear all,
>>
>> As I proposed (minutes before the $75 storm appeared) I would like to
>> TEST and strength our ability to take advantage of being a worldwide
>> community.
>> Most of the times we're arguing about the good and the bad things of
>> our way to organize ourselves. We absolutely waste our energies,
>> patience, working and reading hours discussing with people to whom we
>> don't know their faces, neither their context or real needs.
>>
>> My GOALS are so simple:
>>
>> 1) To Meet each other and "see" our faces (if webcam
>> available)
>> 2) To know better very interesting people (VIP :-) around
>> the world
>> 3) To CREATE an excuse to strength the inter-chapter
>> relationship
>> 4) To IMPROVE our relationship in an informal meeting as
>> colleagues
>> 5) To know and discover how can we share, help and learn
>> to/from other brother chapters
>>
>> PROPOSITION
>> Real-Time Chat: MARCH 15th. (Tuesday)
>> Time: 9 PM (GMT+1 dinner time in Spain) 12 (lunch time in
>> California)
>> Tool: Yahoo Messenger
>> (Win) http://messenger.yahoo.com
>>
>> (Mac) http://messenger.yahoo.com/mac.php;
>> _ylt=Av_n10wJmEaA3AdFpj4wyipwMMIF
>> (Unix)
>> http://messenger.yahoo.com/unix.php;
>> _ylt=AikEA2cX8P4JdvEDQt9ColBwMMIF
>>
>> Topic: Exposition and comments about the "Tsunami alert"
>> Draft sent by Fred Baker and Brian E. Carpenter
>> "Structure of an International Emergency Alert
>> System"
>>
>>
>> Many of us didn't have the time to read it. Or want to know
>> more. It will be a good moment to learn more about it
>> and discuss. Have a look here
>> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-baker-alert-system-00.txt
>>
>>
>>
>> As of Today:
>>
>>
>> Gene Gaines ISOC-Washington (as Host and
>> presenter/moderator) GMT-5
>>
>>
>> David McAuley ISOC-HQ GMT-5
>>
>> Carlos Vera ISOC-Ecuador GMT-5
>>
>> Andreu Veà ISOC-ES, as coordinator (now in
>> California GMT-8)
>>
>> Representative ISOC-ES Spain (GMT+1)
>>
>> and with the special participation of Irwan Effendi from
>> one of the affected countries Indonesia (GMT+7)
>>
>>
>>
>> PRACTICAL DETAILS:
>>
>> Estimated time of the software installation (3 minutes)
>>
>> Signing up takes a little bit more (5 min max) if you don't have a
>> previous Yahoo account. If you have
>>
>>
>>
>> NOTE: I don't have yahoo stocks :-) but this piece of great software
>> is free, robust, secure and have the best video codec I have ever
>> seen.
>>
>> Despite of that, You can join the chat with any other
>> open-source compatible chat client.
>>
>>
>>
>> If interested Feel free to contact me, before the
>> 14th telling which is you Messenger ID, so I'll invite you to the
>> conference room.
>>
>> Next regular Chats (every 15 of the month), will be easier
>> to organize, I wait for "Main Topic Suggestions" of general interest.
>>
>>
>>
>> andreu
>>
>>
>>
>> De: David McAuley [mailto:mcauley at isoc.org]
>> Enviado el: viernes, 04 de marzo de 2005 12:37
>> Para: andreu at veabaro.info; chapter-delegates at lists.isoc.org
>> Asunto: RE: [chapter-delegates] Real-Time Meeting with ISOC
>> Real-Chapters leaders (+Ideas Forum - Blog)
>>
>>
>> Andreu, Thank you for taking this and running with it (Your
>> proposition in #3 below). I like it greatly as I said to you in a
>> separate note and I plan to attend on March 15th. Since there may be
>> more than 5 people can I assume we will be using the
>> messenger.yahoo.com tool?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks and best regards
>>
>> David
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Andreu Vea' [mailto:andreu at veabaro.info]
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 1:21 AM
>> To: 'David McAuley'; chapter-delegates at lists.isoc.org
>> Subject: [chapter-delegates] Real-Time Meeting with ISOC Real-Chapters
>> leaders (+Ideas Forum - Blog)
>>
>>
>>
>> I think the blog is a good idea, but as you point somebody should
>> volunteer to make an "executive" diggest.
>>
>> In fact we don't need a blog to discuss, due our list now is public
>> and web-enabled to read and track.
>>
>>
>>
>> So let's focus the problems:
>>
>>
>>
>> 1) We need some "diggest" about the most important topics
>> discussed within our chapter-delegates list.
>>
>> We (in www.ISOC-ES.net have a person who does that in Spanish
>> every month) so all our Board is aware of what's going on here.
>>
>> Maybe someone can translate the summaries, or just do the same
>> in english.
>>
>>
>>
>> 2) I think the regular "Real-Time" informal meetings between
>> members around the world of this list should be Preserved and
>> encouraged as a great idea.
>>
>> I'm leading an international research effort about Internet
>> pioneers http://WiWiW.org (Who is Who in the internet World) and as we
>> haven't been
>>
>> funded by any institution we're using free tools to communicate
>> within the team:
>>
>>
>>
>> For Chatting
>> Realtime: http://messenger.yahoo.com
>> (Better video codecs than MSN, and more secure), allows many people
>> same time.
>>
>> For IP
>> telephony: http://www.skype.com (Up to 5
>> people multi-audioconference). Great voice quality and free.
>>
>> File/folder sharing:
>> http://www.grouper.com Sharing
>> documents and folders via ciphered P2P mechanism.
>>
>>
>>
>> NOTE: You'll say "are not open source" OK true. But are free and
>> are the best approach for an easy and convenient instant-communication
>> and collaboration.
>>
>> I don't pretend to open a debate of which are the
>> "best" tools for our regular/scheduled meetings. I just say, after
>> many trials and intensive regular
>>
>> weekly use "we are using these ones".
>>
>>
>>
>> 3) PROPPOSITION:
>>
>> We have the tools, we have the people, we have the
>> knowledge and we all have the same goal....then
>>
>> Why don't we start?
>>
>> Date suggested: MARCH 15th.
>>
>> Time: 9 PM (GMT+1 dinner time in Spain) 12 (lunch
>> time in California)
>>
>> Topic: Exposition and comments about the "Tsunami
>> alert" Draft sent by Fred Baker and Brian E. Carpenter
>>
>> Many of us didn't have the time to read it.
>> Or want to know more. Maybe the authors or Gene Gaines can explain us
>> more.
>>
>> Gene, following your offer would you like to
>> be the host/moderator of the First meeting ?
>>
>>
>>
>> BCC: Gene, Fred and Brian
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------
>>
>> I'll commit to manage the logistics of getting started
>> and previous tests (write me to andreu at stanford.edu to get
>> my Yahoo,Skype & Grouper IDs)
>>
>>
>>
>> andreu
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> De: David McAuley [mailto:mcauley at isoc.org]
>> Enviado el: lunes, 28 de febrero de 2005 10:35
>> Para: chapter-delegates at lists.isoc.org
>> Asunto: [chapter-delegates] Ideas Forum - Blog
>>
>> Dear Chapter Delegates:
>>
>>
>>
>> We have seen, over the past six months, a great increase in
>> communications on our list. This is wonderful. And as I mentioned
>> recently, we are considering supplementing this with real-time
>> discussions. I want to thank you for the helpful comments and
>> suggestions on how we might do that. However, we are upgrading our IT
>> infrastructure at present and will not be able to undertake some of
>> the suggestions right away.
>>
>>
>>
>> In trying to decide how best to start a real-time meeting to
>> supplement the list we have been considering another tool as well -
>> I'm interested in your thoughts.
>>
>>
>>
>> The list itself sees a fair number of ideas floated from time to time.
>> It is difficult to determine which should be seriously considered and
>> which may be better suited for a future 'wish list'. The idea of
>> using a blog as a next step for ideas floated on the list has come up.
>> Here is how it might work.
>>
>>
>>
>> As ideas are floated on the list they can be discussed but in order to
>> take any such idea to the next level we need it to be filtered through
>> a more formal process. Anyone involved in the discussion could
>> volunteer to summarize the discussion, essentially filtering the idea
>> into something we could consider acting upon. A blog could be used to
>> ask questions through a template or introductory screen, the purpose
>> of which is to describe the idea as concretely as possible. Of
>> course, the blog would be open to chapter delegates.
>>
>>
>>
>> The questions that could be asked include: what is the purpose of this
>> idea; how will it help ISOC, its chapters, or it members; describe it
>> in some reasonable detail; estimate the requirements and cost of
>> implementation; estimate the requirements and cost of technical
>> support; who, other than staff, do you envision leading or
>> participating in this effort.
>>
>>
>>
>> In turn, we would use the blog as a tracking mechanism. Every idea
>> submitted would be given serious consideration and we would report its
>> status and priority to the blog.
>>
>>
>>
>> This is our suggestion on how to manage all the ideas and suggestions
>> that are floated on this list. What are your comments or questions
>> about this suggestion?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>>
>>
>> David McAuley
>>
>> Membership Director
>>
>> Internet Society
>>
>> 703-326-9880, ext 104
>>
>> 703-963-5887 (mobile)
>>
>> mcauley at isoc.org
>>
>>
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