[chapter-delegates] Re: Encouragement and information from today's meeting with Lynn

[Irwan Effendi]

Dear Veni,

My idea is not about gathering together to apply for funding, but rather
gathering together to create programs that sells in the community, thus
generating fund in natural business environment, rather than waiting for
some leftovers from any institution. As I said, receiving funding is good
once in a while, but we can't bet our Chapter's future on that.

Regarding a separate mailing list, I am also in isocfe mailing list, but it
seems that we are still discussing politics there, not yet started with work
discussion :)

So, how about Bulgaria and Indonesia work together to develop IT solutions,
training, books or any other products that can be sold both here and there
to generate fund? We have some of those in the local market already and the
numbers are promising.

cheers,

Irwan Effendi


----- Original Message -----
From: "Veni Markovski" <veni at veni.com>
To: "Irwan Effendi" <hero_tsai at mainsyscon.net>
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 1:55 AM
Subject: Re: Encouragement and information from today's meeting with Lynn


> Irwan,
> I agree with you.
>
> Here are several points, which I made today morning, during a meeting with
> Lynn St. Amour - CEO/President of ISOC. Also present at that meeting were
> chapter presidents or members of Board of South Africa, Luxembourg, UK,
> Sweden, Niue, France, Morocco, Bulgaria, George Sadowsky, Richard
Delmas...
> and may be I am missing one or two names, as I was not taking notes.
>
> I proposed that ISOC European chapters should work together, in
consortium,
> to apply for funding from the EU programs (I had in mind the 6th European
> Framework, but there could be others, too).
>
> I advise the African countries to start research on the WorldBank
> activities. The new chief of the WB - Paul Wolfowitz, is claiming the next
> 5 years will be dedicated to Africa, bridging the digital divide, etc.
>
> Someone suggested that wherever there's an ISOC chapter, it should be the
> natural channel for ISOC, when there are events, related to ISOC. The
> example was with the IETF, which is to take place in August in Paris, but
> the local chapter is not involved in the work around the meeting, and will
> not be getting any credit from this event.
>
> Many of us several times, insistingly, pointed out that ISOC listens, but
> does not hear the chapters. The discussion included also general
weaknesses
> of relations between ISOC HQ and chapters. All of us said that this
> communications needs improvement.
>
> Sharing experience between chapters is considered good, but sometimes it
> just needs understanding that there are cross-cultural differences, and
the
> majority of the chapters do not use English as a native language. Also,
> sometimes passion is being incorrectly accepted as insult. Sometimes
> reactions against chapters is being provoked by remarks, which would be
> considered totally appropriate in other environments.
>
> One thing, which I was kind of wondering... Could someone here make a
> calculation how many of the chapters have actually posted something in the
> last 4 months? I think it's around 20 chapters, someone else said 5-6.
>
> Another proposal was to have another mailing list, where only projects
will
> be discussed, so that we can continue to exchange information here, but
> focus on real funding there.
>
> What do you say?
>
> best,
> veni
>
>
> At 01:13 06-04-05  +0700, you wrote:
> >Dear Chapter Delegates,
> >
> >Even though I am not the expert on fund raising, I encourage each and
every
> >chapter officers to share in our activities in raising fund. We know and
we
> >admit that the amount of income that our chapter is currently receiving
is
> >micro-dwarf if compared to the money produced by P.I.R., but we are also
>
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