[ih] OSI and alternate realiv

[Johan Helsingius]

They seemed totally OK with Minitel Rose, probably the most popular
service... :)

	Julf


On 17/03/2024 16:18, Bob Purvy wrote:
> Interesting. My own reading had them horrified at all the things people 
> were doing that they'd never intended, e.g. dating sites, organizing 
> student protests, etc. I saw one in 1989. Even then, it was pretty nice.
> 
> On Sun, Mar 17, 2024 at 2:00 AM Johan Helsingius via Internet-history 
> <internet-history at elists.isoc.org 
> <mailto:internet-history at elists.isoc.org>> wrote:
> 
>     I mostly share your views on PTT:s, but in the case of Minitel, France
>     Telecom would actually have done much more with it, but was stopped
>     by strong government lobbying by the traditional publishing industry
>     (who feared the loss of small ads).
> 
>              Julf
> 
> 
>     On 16/03/2024 23:17, Bob Purvy via Internet-history wrote:
>      > Even when they actually *had* the future up and running, they
>     spurned it:
>      >
>      > Minitel. It caught on, the French loved it, and the PTT still
>     failed to
>      > capitalize on it.
>      >
>      > With friends like PTTs, OSI didn't need any enemies.
>      >
>      > On Fri, Mar 15, 2024 at 10:25 AM John Day via Internet-history <
>      > internet-history at elists.isoc.org
>     <mailto:internet-history at elists.isoc.org>> wrote:
>      >
>      >> Yes, the PTTs had no idea what was coming.  As late as the late
>     1980s, I
>      >> had people telling me that the amount of data traffic would
>     never exceed
>      >> the amount voice traffic. (!!) You could only wonder what they were
>      >> smoking!  ;-)
>      >>
>      >> Also, recent delving into the old papers makes it clear the
>     degree to
>      >> which the PTTs thwarted the development of comparable networks
>     in Europe,
>      >> e.g., EIN and EURONET.
>      >>
>      >>> On Mar 15, 2024, at 11:45, Daniele Bovio via Internet-history <
>      >> internet-history at elists.isoc.org
>     <mailto:internet-history at elists.isoc.org>> wrote:
>      >>>
>      >>> David,
>      >>> One of the major problems at the time was that the PTTs planned
>     to charge
>      >>> the X.25 traffic by volume, and this would have slowed down the
>      >> development
>      >>> of applications enormously, as nobody could have afforded to
>     send images,
>      >>> sound and videos over the network at an affordable price.
>      >>> The other issue was that X.25 was limited to E1/DS1 (2Mb), and
>     that was a
>      >>> severe limitation.
>      >>> Of course prices would have decreased for packet switched
>     networks as
>      >> well
>      >>> after the monopolies fell for good at the end of the 90, and
>     probably
>      >> some
>      >>> other X. would have been invented to overcome the E1 limitation
>     of X.25,
>      >> but
>      >>> I believe it would have been an uphill road all the way.
>      >>>
>      >>> Cheers
>      >>>
>      >>> Daniele
>      >>>
>      >>>
>      >>> -----Original Message-----
>      >>> From: Internet-history
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>     <mailto:internet-history-bounces at elists.isoc.org>]
>      >> On
>      >>> Behalf Of David Sitman via Internet-history
>      >>> Sent: Friday, March 15, 2024 12:19 PM
>      >>> To: internet-history at elists.isoc.org
>     <mailto:internet-history at elists.isoc.org>
>      >>> Subject: [ih] OSI and alternate reality
>      >>>
>      >>> In my talk at the EARN 40th Anniversary Conference in Athens in
>     April I
>      >>> would like to speculate a bit about what the world would be
>     like today if
>      >>> OSI had won the "Protocol Wars".
>      >>> In 1986, it was a foregone conclusion that EARN would migrate
>     to OSI in
>      >> the
>      >>> near future. However, when I began my international activity in
>     1991, OSI
>      >>> was discussed as a promise that had gone largely unfulfilled
>     and EARN
>      >>> members were actively supporting TCP/IP networks. It seemed
>     obvious why
>      >>> TCP/IP had prevailed.
>      >>> Would we have seen the same rapid and universal adoption of
>     computer
>      >>> networking with OSI? Could the Web have flourished? Would
>     address space
>      >> and
>      >>> security issues be alleviated? Would "OSI on Everything" have
>     become a
>      >> meme?
>      >>> I would be very grateful for any thoughts about this.
>      >>>
>      >>> Thanks,
>      >>> David Sitman
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