From lukasz at bromirski.net  Wed Jul  1 03:17:47 2026
From: lukasz at bromirski.net (Lukasz Bromirski)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2026 12:17:47 +0200
Subject: [ih] capacity v bandwidth
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References: <20260602172828.3E3EB18C074@mercury.lcs.mit.edu>
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> On 2 Jun 2026, at 21:24, Craig Partridge via Internet-history <internet-history at elists.isoc.org> wrote:
> 
> [?] At some point Milo Medin took pity on me and took me out
> onto the Moffat Field runway to watch a U2 take off (still a treasured
> memory).

Haha, Network Management < U2. I bet a lot of folks would agree :)

Legends :)

-- 
?ukasz Bromirski         | "There's no sense in being precise when you don?t
infosec.exchange/@mr0vka | know what you're talking about.? John von Neumann


From vgcerf at gmail.com  Thu Jul  2 08:01:51 2026
From: vgcerf at gmail.com (vinton cerf)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2026 11:01:51 -0400
Subject: [ih] clever usc creation
Message-ID: <CAAFtm_V1ddramQXKDm_ThEmXMDu2Fu0he7cGQhxzQ7FVtNFvbg@mail.gmail.com>

https://viterbischool.usc.edu/news/2026/06/for-americas-250th-we-created-commemorative-stamps-of-trojan-builders/

v

From 6.internet at gmail.com  Thu Jul  2 09:02:15 2026
From: 6.internet at gmail.com (Sivan)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2026 21:32:15 +0530
Subject: [ih] clever usc creation
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Vint,

>From what little I know, the list of names seems to eloquently miss out on
at least a few Comouting and Internet heroes.


 Sivasubramanian Muthusamy
sender

On Thu, 2 Jul, 2026, 20:32 vinton cerf via Internet-history, <
internet-history at elists.isoc.org> wrote:

>
> https://viterbischool.usc.edu/news/2026/06/for-americas-250th-we-created-commemorative-stamps-of-trojan-builders/
>
> v
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From vgcerf at gmail.com  Thu Jul  2 11:19:44 2026
From: vgcerf at gmail.com (vinton cerf)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2026 14:19:44 -0400
Subject: [ih] clever usc creation
In-Reply-To: <CAKsgsGyqfV9uTHC1MEKcHtciZNbkWWVjrv1SWe_B5kD=YGBWYQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAFtm_V1ddramQXKDm_ThEmXMDu2Fu0he7cGQhxzQ7FVtNFvbg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAKsgsGyqfV9uTHC1MEKcHtciZNbkWWVjrv1SWe_B5kD=YGBWYQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAFtm_UfTPESL-f9yCWqv=e2Sw0Otp1uJZUteh9U2U8mZVGfsA@mail.gmail.com>

they excluded people who did not have an affiliation with USC.

v


On Thu, Jul 2, 2026 at 12:02?PM Sivan <6.internet at gmail.com> wrote:

> Vint,
>
> From what little I know, the list of names seems to eloquently miss out on
> at least a few Comouting and Internet heroes.
>
>
>  Sivasubramanian Muthusamy
> sender
>
> On Thu, 2 Jul, 2026, 20:32 vinton cerf via Internet-history, <
> internet-history at elists.isoc.org> wrote:
>
>>
>> https://viterbischool.usc.edu/news/2026/06/for-americas-250th-we-created-commemorative-stamps-of-trojan-builders/
>>
>> v
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From karl at iwl.com  Thu Jul  2 12:20:22 2026
From: karl at iwl.com (Karl Auerbach)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2026 12:20:22 -0700
Subject: [ih] clever usc creation
In-Reply-To: <CAAFtm_V1ddramQXKDm_ThEmXMDu2Fu0he7cGQhxzQ7FVtNFvbg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAFtm_V1ddramQXKDm_ThEmXMDu2Fu0he7cGQhxzQ7FVtNFvbg@mail.gmail.com>
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I am so very thrilled to see Steve Casner in this collection.

He and I worked very closely together for several years and after that 
he and his wife Karen used to come over to our house for gatherings and 
to attend plays at Santa Cruz Shakespeare.

I never had an conversation with Steve Casner that did not leave me more 
educated and informed than I had been before.? In my mind there is a tie 
for the prize of "nicest person on the Internet" between Steve Casner 
and John Romkey.

I don't know if it is appropriate on this list to include a photo (Of 
Steve C and Eve S - [and Dave Crocker and I believe the back of Bob 
Hinden's head] , but here it goes...? (This was taken at the Computer 
History Museum event for Danny Cohen.)

 ? ? ? ? --karl--

On 7/2/26 8:01 AM, vinton cerf via Internet-history wrote:
> https://viterbischool.usc.edu/news/2026/06/for-americas-250th-we-created-commemorative-stamps-of-trojan-builders/
>
> v

From geoff at iconia.com  Thu Jul  2 15:36:31 2026
From: geoff at iconia.com (the keyboard of geoff goodfellow)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2026 15:36:31 -0700
Subject: [ih] clever usc creation
In-Reply-To: <f479bd97-6e5d-4bf3-9446-2c423741ace4@iwl.com>
References: <CAAFtm_V1ddramQXKDm_ThEmXMDu2Fu0he7cGQhxzQ7FVtNFvbg@mail.gmail.com>
 <f479bd97-6e5d-4bf3-9446-2c423741ace4@iwl.com>
Message-ID: <CAEf-zriYh_ANSRsY0bjNUnd8eOaCWn3r5z_61r9rCN8zNB00Gw@mail.gmail.com>

gotta chime in here with in yours truly's mind the tie for the prize of
"nicest person on the Internet" would have to be between Vint Cerf and
Steve Crocker (with whom yours truly has interacted with since the 70's)

g

On Thu, Jul 2, 2026 at 12:20?PM Karl Auerbach via Internet-history <
internet-history at elists.isoc.org> wrote:

> I am so very thrilled to see Steve Casner in this collection.
>
> He and I worked very closely together for several years and after that
> he and his wife Karen used to come over to our house for gatherings and
> to attend plays at Santa Cruz Shakespeare.
>
> I never had an conversation with Steve Casner that did not leave me more
> educated and informed than I had been before.  In my mind there is a tie
> for the prize of "nicest person on the Internet" between Steve Casner
> and John Romkey.
>
> I don't know if it is appropriate on this list to include a photo (Of
> Steve C and Eve S - [and Dave Crocker and I believe the back of Bob
> Hinden's head] , but here it goes...  (This was taken at the Computer
> History Museum event for Danny Cohen.)
>
>          --karl--
>
> On 7/2/26 8:01 AM, vinton cerf via Internet-history wrote:
> >
> https://viterbischool.usc.edu/news/2026/06/for-americas-250th-we-created-commemorative-stamps-of-trojan-builders/
> >
> > v
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From carl at media.org  Thu Jul  2 15:45:06 2026
From: carl at media.org (Carl Malamud)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2026 15:45:06 -0700
Subject: [ih] clever usc creation
In-Reply-To: <CAEf-zriYh_ANSRsY0bjNUnd8eOaCWn3r5z_61r9rCN8zNB00Gw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAFtm_V1ddramQXKDm_ThEmXMDu2Fu0he7cGQhxzQ7FVtNFvbg@mail.gmail.com>
 <f479bd97-6e5d-4bf3-9446-2c423741ace4@iwl.com>
 <CAEf-zriYh_ANSRsY0bjNUnd8eOaCWn3r5z_61r9rCN8zNB00Gw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFr-4ghmGF2uELKUrtKMVo3GCfa0J1ps-pSLUC4hgFzCTTbTLQ@mail.gmail.com>

+1.

On Thu, Jul 2, 2026 at 3:37?PM the keyboard of geoff goodfellow via
Internet-history <internet-history at elists.isoc.org> wrote:

> gotta chime in here with in yours truly's mind the tie for the prize of
> "nicest person on the Internet" would have to be between Vint Cerf and
> Steve Crocker (with whom yours truly has interacted with since the 70's)
>
> g
>
> On Thu, Jul 2, 2026 at 12:20?PM Karl Auerbach via Internet-history <
> internet-history at elists.isoc.org> wrote:
>
> > I am so very thrilled to see Steve Casner in this collection.
> >
> > He and I worked very closely together for several years and after that
> > he and his wife Karen used to come over to our house for gatherings and
> > to attend plays at Santa Cruz Shakespeare.
> >
> > I never had an conversation with Steve Casner that did not leave me more
> > educated and informed than I had been before.  In my mind there is a tie
> > for the prize of "nicest person on the Internet" between Steve Casner
> > and John Romkey.
> >
> > I don't know if it is appropriate on this list to include a photo (Of
> > Steve C and Eve S - [and Dave Crocker and I believe the back of Bob
> > Hinden's head] , but here it goes...  (This was taken at the Computer
> > History Museum event for Danny Cohen.)
> >
> >          --karl--
> >
> > On 7/2/26 8:01 AM, vinton cerf via Internet-history wrote:
> > >
> >
> https://viterbischool.usc.edu/news/2026/06/for-americas-250th-we-created-commemorative-stamps-of-trojan-builders/
> > >
> > > v
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From karl at iwl.com  Thu Jul  2 16:36:41 2026
From: karl at iwl.com (Karl Auerbach)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2026 16:36:41 -0700
Subject: [ih] clever usc creation
In-Reply-To: <f479bd97-6e5d-4bf3-9446-2c423741ace4@iwl.com>
References: <CAAFtm_V1ddramQXKDm_ThEmXMDu2Fu0he7cGQhxzQ7FVtNFvbg@mail.gmail.com>
 <f479bd97-6e5d-4bf3-9446-2c423741ace4@iwl.com>
Message-ID: <ddf38ea8-08c5-4cbe-8261-667cea757ed5@iwl.com>

Well apparently image attachments don't make it through? the ISOC mail 
systems.

Here is a link to the photo I mentioned...

https://cavebear.com/images/misc/steve-and-eve.jpg

On 7/2/26 12:20 PM, Karl Auerbach via Internet-history wrote:
> I am so very thrilled to see Steve Casner in this collection.
>
> He and I worked very closely together for several years and after that 
> he and his wife Karen used to come over to our house for gatherings 
> and to attend plays at Santa Cruz Shakespeare.
>
> I never had an conversation with Steve Casner that did not leave me 
> more educated and informed than I had been before.? In my mind there 
> is a tie for the prize of "nicest person on the Internet" between 
> Steve Casner and John Romkey.
>
> I don't know if it is appropriate on this list to include a photo (Of 
> Steve C and Eve S - [and Dave Crocker and I believe the back of Bob 
> Hinden's head] , but here it goes...? (This was taken at the Computer 
> History Museum event for Danny Cohen.)
>
> ? ? ? ? --karl--
>
> On 7/2/26 8:01 AM, vinton cerf via Internet-history wrote:
>> https://viterbischool.usc.edu/news/2026/06/for-americas-250th-we-created-commemorative-stamps-of-trojan-builders/ 
>>
>>
>> v

From vgcerf at gmail.com  Thu Jul  2 17:36:34 2026
From: vgcerf at gmail.com (vinton cerf)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2026 20:36:34 -0400
Subject: [ih] clever usc creation
In-Reply-To: <CAEf-zriYh_ANSRsY0bjNUnd8eOaCWn3r5z_61r9rCN8zNB00Gw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAFtm_V1ddramQXKDm_ThEmXMDu2Fu0he7cGQhxzQ7FVtNFvbg@mail.gmail.com>
 <f479bd97-6e5d-4bf3-9446-2c423741ace4@iwl.com>
 <CAEf-zriYh_ANSRsY0bjNUnd8eOaCWn3r5z_61r9rCN8zNB00Gw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAFtm_Wv-i_QOa8od81YSaRZ4BHEFBrBxf8XariAM43YiBx8Cg@mail.gmail.com>

Steve an all-around nice guy, smart, helpful, and very persistent ( that's
a compliment)
V

On Thu, Jul 2, 2026, 18:37 the keyboard of geoff goodfellow via
Internet-history <internet-history at elists.isoc.org> wrote:

> gotta chime in here with in yours truly's mind the tie for the prize of
> "nicest person on the Internet" would have to be between Vint Cerf and
> Steve Crocker (with whom yours truly has interacted with since the 70's)
>
> g
>
> On Thu, Jul 2, 2026 at 12:20?PM Karl Auerbach via Internet-history <
> internet-history at elists.isoc.org> wrote:
>
> > I am so very thrilled to see Steve Casner in this collection.
> >
> > He and I worked very closely together for several years and after that
> > he and his wife Karen used to come over to our house for gatherings and
> > to attend plays at Santa Cruz Shakespeare.
> >
> > I never had an conversation with Steve Casner that did not leave me more
> > educated and informed than I had been before.  In my mind there is a tie
> > for the prize of "nicest person on the Internet" between Steve Casner
> > and John Romkey.
> >
> > I don't know if it is appropriate on this list to include a photo (Of
> > Steve C and Eve S - [and Dave Crocker and I believe the back of Bob
> > Hinden's head] , but here it goes...  (This was taken at the Computer
> > History Museum event for Danny Cohen.)
> >
> >          --karl--
> >
> > On 7/2/26 8:01 AM, vinton cerf via Internet-history wrote:
> > >
> >
> https://viterbischool.usc.edu/news/2026/06/for-americas-250th-we-created-commemorative-stamps-of-trojan-builders/
> > >
> > > v
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From ajs at crankycanuck.ca  Thu Jul  2 21:09:50 2026
From: ajs at crankycanuck.ca (Andrew Sullivan)
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2026 00:09:50 -0400
Subject: [ih] Meta: attachment policy (was Re:  clever usc creation)
In-Reply-To: <ddf38ea8-08c5-4cbe-8261-667cea757ed5@iwl.com>
References: <ddf38ea8-08c5-4cbe-8261-667cea757ed5@iwl.com>
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Hi,

While there are doubtless many issues with Internet Society systems that can be laid at their (and depending on the age, my) feet, this is just a matter of list policy. AFAIK this list doesn?t allow attachments.  Attachments make it through Internet Society mail systems just fine. 

Best regards ,

A 
? 
Andrew Sullivan 
Please excuse my clumbsy thums

> On Jul 2, 2026, at 19:36, Karl Auerbach via Internet-history <internet-history at elists.isoc.org> wrote:
> 
> ?Well apparently image attachments don't make it through  the ISOC mail systems.
> 
> Here is a link to the photo I mentioned...
> 
> https://cavebear.com/images/misc/steve-and-eve.jpg
> 
>> On 7/2/26 12:20 PM, Karl Auerbach via Internet-history wrote:
>> I am so very thrilled to see Steve Casner in this collection.
>> 
>> He and I worked very closely together for several years and after that he and his wife Karen used to come over to our house for gatherings and to attend plays at Santa Cruz Shakespeare.
>> 
>> I never had an conversation with Steve Casner that did not leave me more educated and informed than I had been before.  In my mind there is a tie for the prize of "nicest person on the Internet" between Steve Casner and John Romkey.
>> 
>> I don't know if it is appropriate on this list to include a photo (Of Steve C and Eve S - [and Dave Crocker and I believe the back of Bob Hinden's head] , but here it goes...  (This was taken at the Computer History Museum event for Danny Cohen.)
>> 
>>         --karl--
>> 
>>> On 7/2/26 8:01 AM, vinton cerf via Internet-history wrote:
>>> https://viterbischool.usc.edu/news/2026/06/for-americas-250th-we-created-commemorative-stamps-of-trojan-builders/
>>> 
>>> v
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From carl at media.org  Thu Jul  2 21:19:45 2026
From: carl at media.org (Carl Malamud)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2026 21:19:45 -0700
Subject: [ih] Meta: attachment policy (was Re: clever usc creation)
In-Reply-To: <90B7EF0E-BE0A-48F3-B292-6387F03F895C@crankycanuck.ca>
References: <ddf38ea8-08c5-4cbe-8261-667cea757ed5@iwl.com>
 <90B7EF0E-BE0A-48F3-B292-6387F03F895C@crankycanuck.ca>
Message-ID: <CAFr-4ghVv2m3ZRr5BqmBEYRW5miSqxQ=0YewLs39ZpZrY-hA0w@mail.gmail.com>

Well, if we?re going to walk the walk and do Internet History the right way
we should go totally 7-bit.  I vote that in addition to attachments, we ban
Unicode.

On Thu, Jul 2, 2026 at 9:10?PM Andrew Sullivan via Internet-history <
internet-history at elists.isoc.org> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> While there are doubtless many issues with Internet Society systems that
> can be laid at their (and depending on the age, my) feet, this is just a
> matter of list policy. AFAIK this list doesn?t allow attachments.
> Attachments make it through Internet Society mail systems just fine.
>
> Best regards ,
>
> A
> ?
> Andrew Sullivan
> Please excuse my clumbsy thums
>
> > On Jul 2, 2026, at 19:36, Karl Auerbach via Internet-history <
> internet-history at elists.isoc.org> wrote:
> >
> > ?Well apparently image attachments don't make it through  the ISOC mail
> systems.
> >
> > Here is a link to the photo I mentioned...
> >
> > https://cavebear.com/images/misc/steve-and-eve.jpg
> >
> >> On 7/2/26 12:20 PM, Karl Auerbach via Internet-history wrote:
> >> I am so very thrilled to see Steve Casner in this collection.
> >>
> >> He and I worked very closely together for several years and after that
> he and his wife Karen used to come over to our house for gatherings and to
> attend plays at Santa Cruz Shakespeare.
> >>
> >> I never had an conversation with Steve Casner that did not leave me
> more educated and informed than I had been before.  In my mind there is a
> tie for the prize of "nicest person on the Internet" between Steve Casner
> and John Romkey.
> >>
> >> I don't know if it is appropriate on this list to include a photo (Of
> Steve C and Eve S - [and Dave Crocker and I believe the back of Bob
> Hinden's head] , but here it goes...  (This was taken at the Computer
> History Museum event for Danny Cohen.)
> >>
> >>         --karl--
> >>
> >>> On 7/2/26 8:01 AM, vinton cerf via Internet-history wrote:
> >>>
> https://viterbischool.usc.edu/news/2026/06/for-americas-250th-we-created-commemorative-stamps-of-trojan-builders/
> >>>
> >>> v
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