From Jacques.Latour at cira.ca  Fri Dec  1 11:33:24 2023
From: Jacques.Latour at cira.ca (Jacques Latour)
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2023 19:33:24 +0000
Subject: [ih] [EXT] Re:  Invention of The Internet - circa 1920
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References: <7e3a2031-0790-4cdd-835a-e60b85332a92@3kitty.org>
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I have some sort of evidence that the internet existed in 5000BC with smoke signals ?

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjrj_e7--6CAxVHrokEHVTlBXsQFnoECA4QAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fmeetings.icann.org%2Fen%2Fmarrakech55%2Fschedule%2Fsun-dnssec-everybody%2Fpresentation-dnssec-everybody-06mar16-en.pdf&usg=AOvVaw1EdK8fXU7Oq1fNiDv4ecSe&opi=89978449



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From: Internet-history <internet-history-bounces at elists.isoc.org> On Behalf Of Clark Gaylord via Internet-history
Sent: November 28, 2023 4:44 PM
To: Jack Haverty <jack at 3kitty.org>
Cc: internet-history at elists.isoc.org
Subject: [EXT] Re: [ih] Invention of The Internet - circa 1920

Tom Standage's The Victorian Internet makes an interesting read in this
context, wrt telegraphy as an "Internet" technology, and especially gets
into some of the social elements of telegraph operators, which are quite
reminiscent (preminiscent?) of this community

https://amzn.to/3uCFk9m

Clark

On Tue, Nov 28, 2023, 01:47 Jack Haverty via Internet-history <
internet-history at elists.isoc.org> wrote:

> Yes, it's fiction, but I just saw an interesting episode of Murdoch
> Mysteries, in which the Internet is invented, over a century ago, with
> lots of its advantages and foibles revealed.   If you get a chance to se
> it, it's an interesting alternative view of Internet History, and
> commentary on the real Internet of today.
>
> https://www.imdb.com/title/tt18602066/
>
> The Inventor, in the TV show, also wears a 3-piece suit.
>
> Jack Haverty
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From brian.e.carpenter at gmail.com  Sat Dec  2 19:35:13 2023
From: brian.e.carpenter at gmail.com (Brian E Carpenter)
Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2023 16:35:13 +1300
Subject: [ih] Early networking in the South Pacific
Message-ID: <10875622-d626-fb62-cddd-15bdcb59eb97@gmail.com>

FYI, this was recently published (IEEE paywall, unfortunately):

R. Hayakawa, R. Underwood and J. Anson, "The Modern History of ICT in Oceania?PEACESAT and USPNet," in IEEE Annals of the History of Computing, vol. 45, no. 4, pp. 11-26, Oct.-Dec. 2023, doi: 10.1109/MAHC.2023.3316670

Regards
    Brian Carpenter

From surfer at mauigateway.com  Sun Dec 24 14:10:43 2023
From: surfer at mauigateway.com (scott)
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2023 22:10:43 +0000
Subject: [ih] Early networking in the South Pacific
In-Reply-To: <1703454281.ls5tc7kaog8o0goo@webmail.mauigateway.com>
References: <1703454281.ls5tc7kaog8o0goo@webmail.mauigateway.com>
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Hello,

This won't thread properly because I deleted the original email from 
Brian Carpenter, but I wanted to forward it to the list as one of the 
authors on the PICISOC mailing list gave me a link that is not behind a 
paywall and, since the Pacific Ocean is 1/3 of the plant's surface area, 
communications and internet over such a large and challenging 
environment is really interesting.

scott


------------------------------------------------
Brian E Carpenter - brian.e.carpenter at gmail.com
Sat Dec 2 19:35:13 PST 2023


FYI, this was recently published (IEEE paywall, unfortunately):

R. Hayakawa, R. Underwood and J. Anson, "The Modern History of ICT in 
Oceania?PEACESAT and USPNet," in IEEE Annals of the History of 
Computing, vol. 45, no. 4, pp. 11-26, Oct.-Dec. 2023, doi: 
10.1109/MAHC.2023.3316670
-------------------------------------------------

From: surfer at mauigateway.com
To: picisoc at picisoc.org

I haven't read it, but I thought I would forward this email here, since 
it's about the South Pacific.  It's from the 'internet history' mailing 
list.
-------------------------------------------------

On Mon, Dec 4, 2023 at 9:56?AM ICTL <ictl at linnixislands.com wrote:
To: picisoc at picisoc.org

Thank you Scott: would be interesting! So little is known around here 
about the early satellites. And the first cross Pac submarine cable had 
a landing station in the Line Islands well over a century ago.
---------------------------------------------------

On 12/3/23 11:10 PM, Jackson Miake wrote:
To: picisoc at picisoc.org

Interesting indeed. The first succesful telegraph cable was laid between 
Canada, Fiji, Norfolk Island and Australia in 1902.
----------------------------------------------------

 From surfer at mauigateway.com
To: picisoc at picisoc.org

Wow, those are interesting pieces of info.  I was unaware that happened 
so long ago.
----------------------------------------------------

2023?12?6?(?) 11:02 William <wjt.uow at gmail.com>:
To: picisoc at picisoc.org

One of the authors (Rieko) was/is a PICISOC member.
-----------------------------------------------------

2023?12?20?(?) 12:17 Rieko Hayakawa <hayakawa.rieko at gmail.com>:
To: picisoc at picisoc.org

Dear All,

Thank you for circulating my recent paper. My nearly two decades of 
ICT4D projects, including PEACESAT and USPNet, form the basis of this paper.

Since 2008 I have been busy with maritime security and Indo-Pacific 
projects. However, ICT4PICs remains my life's work. I am delighted to 
have Dr. Underwood from Guam for this paper.

     Rieko Hayakawa PhD
     Law School
     Doshisha University
----------------------------------------------------

On 12/20/23 3:28 AM, Rieko Hayakawa wrote:
To: picisoc at picisoc.org

I think it is not a paywall.

https://www.computer.org/csdl/magazine/an/2023/04/10255276/1QzynSYz7pK
----------------------------------------------------


From hemmendd at union.edu  Mon Dec 25 13:47:21 2023
From: hemmendd at union.edu (David Hemmendinger)
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2023 16:47:21 -0500
Subject: [ih] Early networking in the South Pacific
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1703534403.45139.internet-history@elists.isoc.org>
References: <mailman.1.1703534403.45139.internet-history@elists.isoc.org>
Message-ID: <20231225214722.0629613200FF@athena.union.edu>

	The URL that the article author gives at the end of this message
is normally behind the paywall, but the Computer Society generally unlocks
one article from a new issue for a while.  So get it while you can.

	David Hemmendinger
	Editor, Annals of the History of Computing
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>Today's Topics:
>
>   1. Early networking in the South Pacific (scott)
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>
>Message: 1
>Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2023 22:10:43 +0000
>From: scott <surfer at mauigateway.com>
>To: internet-history at elists.isoc.org
>Subject: [ih] Early networking in the South Pacific
>Message-ID: <9c333320-a609-41ef-b239-1044d383eeb4 at mauigateway.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
>
>
>
>Hello,
>
>This won't thread properly because I deleted the original email from 
>Brian Carpenter, but I wanted to forward it to the list as one of the 
>authors on the PICISOC mailing list gave me a link that is not behind a 
>paywall and, since the Pacific Ocean is 1/3 of the plant's surface area, 
>communications and internet over such a large and challenging 
>environment is really interesting.
>
>scott
>
>
>------------------------------------------------
>Brian E Carpenter - brian.e.carpenter at gmail.com
>Sat Dec 2 19:35:13 PST 2023
>
>
>FYI, this was recently published (IEEE paywall, unfortunately):
>
>R. Hayakawa, R. Underwood and J. Anson, "The Modern History of ICT in 
>Oceania?PEACESAT and USPNet," in IEEE Annals of the History of 
>Computing, vol. 45, no. 4, pp. 11-26, Oct.-Dec. 2023, doi: 
>10.1109/MAHC.2023.3316670
>-------------------------------------------------
>
>From: surfer at mauigateway.com
>To: picisoc at picisoc.org
>
>I haven't read it, but I thought I would forward this email here, since 
>it's about the South Pacific.  It's from the 'internet history' mailing 
>list.
>-------------------------------------------------
>
>On Mon, Dec 4, 2023 at 9:56?AM ICTL <ictl at linnixislands.com wrote:
>To: picisoc at picisoc.org
>
>Thank you Scott: would be interesting! So little is known around here 
>about the early satellites. And the first cross Pac submarine cable had 
>a landing station in the Line Islands well over a century ago.
>---------------------------------------------------
>
>On 12/3/23 11:10 PM, Jackson Miake wrote:
>To: picisoc at picisoc.org
>
>Interesting indeed. The first succesful telegraph cable was laid between 
>Canada, Fiji, Norfolk Island and Australia in 1902.
>----------------------------------------------------
>
> From surfer at mauigateway.com
>To: picisoc at picisoc.org
>
>Wow, those are interesting pieces of info.  I was unaware that happened 
>so long ago.
>----------------------------------------------------
>
>2023?12?6?(?) 11:02 William <wjt.uow at gmail.com>:
>To: picisoc at picisoc.org
>
>One of the authors (Rieko) was/is a PICISOC member.
>-----------------------------------------------------
>
>2023?12?20?(?) 12:17 Rieko Hayakawa <hayakawa.rieko at gmail.com>:
>To: picisoc at picisoc.org
>
>Dear All,
>
>Thank you for circulating my recent paper. My nearly two decades of 
>ICT4D projects, including PEACESAT and USPNet, form the basis of this paper.
>
>Since 2008 I have been busy with maritime security and Indo-Pacific 
>projects. However, ICT4PICs remains my life's work. I am delighted to 
>have Dr. Underwood from Guam for this paper.
>
>     Rieko Hayakawa PhD
>     Law School
>     Doshisha University
>----------------------------------------------------
>
>On 12/20/23 3:28 AM, Rieko Hayakawa wrote:
>To: picisoc at picisoc.org
>
>I think it is not a paywall.
>
>https://www.computer.org/csdl/magazine/an/2023/04/10255276/1QzynSYz7pK
>----------------------------------------------------
>
>
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