From darius.kazemi at gmail.com Tue Sep 10 11:48:05 2019 From: darius.kazemi at gmail.com (Darius Kazemi) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2019 11:48:05 -0700 Subject: [ih] Posted some missing RFC diagrams from 1971 Message-ID: As part of my RFC blog research, I came across figures 3 and 4 from RFC 178 at the Computer History Museum's archives. These have been missing from the official transcription made in 1999, listed as "(Omitted due to complexity)". You can look at the missing diagrams here: https://write.as/365-rfcs/rfc-178 -Darius -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From darius.kazemi at gmail.com Thu Sep 12 13:46:02 2019 From: darius.kazemi at gmail.com (Darius Kazemi) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2019 13:46:02 -0700 Subject: [ih] Posted some missing RFC diagrams from 1971 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The canonical RFC 192 record is also missing 3 very critical diagrams, and it's a network graphics paper so these diagrams are pretty important! I have them here: https://write.as/365-rfcs/rfc-192 In particular I love that figure 1 is a graphical display image, figure 2 is the directed scene graph that describes the image, and figure 3 is pseudocode for parsing the directed graph for display. On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 11:48 AM Darius Kazemi wrote: > As part of my RFC blog research, I came across figures 3 and 4 from RFC > 178 at the Computer History Museum's archives. These have been missing from the > official transcription made > in 1999, listed as "(Omitted due to complexity)". > > You can look at the missing diagrams here: > > https://write.as/365-rfcs/rfc-178 > > -Darius > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gnu at toad.com Thu Sep 19 17:02:04 2019 From: gnu at toad.com (John Gilmore) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2019 17:02:04 -0700 Subject: [ih] Fwd: Existing use of IP protocol 114 (any 0-hop protocol) In-Reply-To: <88ec7bdb-57e7-5966-6deb-b9e9ba8d7b67@gmail.com> References: <88ec7bdb-57e7-5966-6deb-b9e9ba8d7b67@gmail.com> Message-ID: <416.1568937724@hop.toad.com> Protocol 114 was unassigned in RFC 1700 in Oct 1994, which was the last RFC tabulating protocol assignments. In January 2002, RFCs ceased being published for protocol number assignments, according to RFC 3232. Sometime before Feb 1999, protocol 114 was assigned here: https://web.archive.org/web/19990203044112/http://www.isi.edu/in-notes/iana/assignments/protocol-numbers The original IANA, Jon Postel, died on October 16, 1998. There was some turmoil in the relevant websites at the time. The Internet Archive's Wayback Machine does not appear to have captured the IANA.org or isi.edu websites during an earlier time when this protocol number was not assigned. But, only five assignments in Feb 1999 had followed 114; the next one was L2TP (protocol 115) by Bernard Aboba (April 1998). The preceding one was PGM (protocol 113) by Tony Speakman in January 1998. So it's a pretty good bet that it was assigned by Postel between January and April 1998. (L2TP was documented in RFC 2661 of August 1999, and by that point it was not using protocol #115; it ran over IP and UDP on port 1701. A later 2005 evolution of L2TP, L2TPv3, used protocol 115.) Does anyone have archives of the TCP-IP Distribution List from 1998? The only copy I have found so far is at http://securitydigest.org/tcp-ip/ but it ends in 1994 (with no apparent "we're closing down the list" messages). A separate issue: Having read the draft-zhu-intarea-gma-03.txt, and skimmed the 2017 draft-kanugovi-intarea-mams-protocol-03 that it references, I don't see how this protocol could in any way be seen as a 0-hop protocol. The whole design is to provide multiple paths to the Internet, which would require that the relevant packets traverse routers. The MAMS draft explicitly says "MAMS routes user plane data packets at the IP layer". 0-hop protocols only operate on a single LAN and cannot be routed, by definition. (ARP, DHCP or its predecessor BOOTP are examples of 0-hop protocols.) Therefore, I think this draft should not be using protocol 114. John _______ internet-history mailing list internet-history at mailman.postel.org http://mailman.postel.org/mailman/listinfo/internet-history Contact list-owner at mailman.postel.org for assistance.