From agoldmanster at gmail.com Sun Dec 11 13:13:15 2016 From: agoldmanster at gmail.com (Alexander Goldman) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2016 16:13:15 -0500 Subject: [ih] Found on Twitter: a map of the Internet from 1973 Message-ID: https://twitter.com/workergnome/status/807704855276122114 David Newbury writes: Going through old papers my dad gave me, I found his map of the internet as of May 1973. The entire internet. Context for my dad?s picture: don?t think he drew it, just saved it from when he was business manager of Comp Sci at Carnegie Mellon. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From casner at acm.org Sun Dec 11 13:50:31 2016 From: casner at acm.org (Stephen Casner) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2016 13:50:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: [ih] Found on Twitter: a map of the Internet from 1973 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, 11 Dec 2016, Alexander Goldman wrote: > https://twitter.com/workergnome/status/807704855276122114 > > David Newbury writes: > > Going through old papers my dad gave me, I found his map of the internet as > of May 1973. The entire internet. Of course, that's not the Internet, it is the ARPANET, as the title of the graphic says. The Internet did not exist yet. -- Steve From brian.e.carpenter at gmail.com Sun Dec 11 16:21:26 2016 From: brian.e.carpenter at gmail.com (Brian E Carpenter) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2016 13:21:26 +1300 Subject: [ih] Found on Twitter: a map of the Internet from 1973 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 12/12/2016 10:50, Stephen Casner wrote: > On Sun, 11 Dec 2016, Alexander Goldman wrote: > >> https://twitter.com/workergnome/status/807704855276122114 >> >> David Newbury writes: >> >> Going through old papers my dad gave me, I found his map of the internet as >> of May 1973. The entire internet. > > Of course, that's not the Internet, it is the ARPANET, as the title of > the graphic says. The Internet did not exist yet. A few seconds with Google found one from later in the same year, with a few small changes. I didn't find one site with *all* of them though. Not even http://mercury.lcs.mit.edu/~jnc/tech/arpageo.html and http://mercury.lcs.mit.edu/~jnc/tech/arpalog.html (Noel - the second one has faulty links, to /~jnc/tech/jpg/L73Sep.jpg instead of /~jnc/tech/jpg/ARPANet/L73Sep.jpg etc.) How often were the maps issued? Did they all come from BBN? Regards Brian From vint at google.com Sun Dec 11 16:36:47 2016 From: vint at google.com (Vint Cerf) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2016 19:36:47 -0500 Subject: [ih] Found on Twitter: a map of the Internet from 1973 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: for the most part, BBN produced the maps - as the Internet grew, others did too - likely MERIT which ran the NSFNET backbone for example. v On Sun, Dec 11, 2016 at 7:21 PM, Brian E Carpenter < brian.e.carpenter at gmail.com> wrote: > On 12/12/2016 10:50, Stephen Casner wrote: > > On Sun, 11 Dec 2016, Alexander Goldman wrote: > > > >> https://twitter.com/workergnome/status/807704855276122114 > >> > >> David Newbury writes: > >> > >> Going through old papers my dad gave me, I found his map of the > internet as > >> of May 1973. The entire internet. > > > > Of course, that's not the Internet, it is the ARPANET, as the title of > > the graphic says. The Internet did not exist yet. > > A few seconds with Google found one from later in the same year, with a few > small changes. I didn't find one site with *all* of them though. Not even > http://mercury.lcs.mit.edu/~jnc/tech/arpageo.html and > http://mercury.lcs.mit.edu/~jnc/tech/arpalog.html > > (Noel - the second one has faulty links, to /~jnc/tech/jpg/L73Sep.jpg > instead of /~jnc/tech/jpg/ARPANet/L73Sep.jpg etc.) > > How often were the maps issued? Did they all come from BBN? > > Regards > Brian > > _______ > internet-history mailing list > internet-history at postel.org > http://mailman.postel.org/mailman/listinfo/internet-history > Contact list-owner at postel.org for assistance. > -- New postal address: Google 1875 Explorer Street, 10th Floor Reston, VA 20190 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jnc at mercury.lcs.mit.edu Sun Dec 11 17:10:27 2016 From: jnc at mercury.lcs.mit.edu (Noel Chiappa) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2016 20:10:27 -0500 (EST) Subject: [ih] Found on Twitter: a map of the Internet from 1973 Message-ID: <20161212011027.59D7018C08E@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> > From: Brian E Carpenter I didn't find one site with *all* of them though. Not even > http://mercury.lcs.mit.edu/~jnc/tech/arpageo.html and > http://mercury.lcs.mit.edu/~jnc/tech/arpalog.html I assume there's a 'have them all' there? As noted on the page, any missing ones gratefully accepted. > Noel - the second one has faulty links Ooops. Sorry! Fixed now. (Thanks for pointing that out!) > Did they all come from BBN? All the ARPANet ones, yes, I m pretty sure (except for a few early ones, maybe). Noel From dave.walden.family at gmail.com Sun Dec 11 17:21:30 2016 From: dave.walden.family at gmail.com (dave.walden.family at gmail.com) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2016 20:21:30 -0500 Subject: [ih] Found on Twitter: a map of the Internet from 1973 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <83CE5B76-2828-4E0D-B4DC-B6BE43D34C25@gmail.com> There have been two articles on ARPANET maps in the last several issues of the IEEE Annals of the History of Computing -- maybe the second is in the issue about to come out. Sent from my iPad On Dec 11, 2016, at 7:36 PM, Vint Cerf wrote: > for the most part, BBN produced the maps - as the Internet grew, others did too - likely MERIT which ran the NSFNET backbone for example. > > v > > > On Sun, Dec 11, 2016 at 7:21 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: > On 12/12/2016 10:50, Stephen Casner wrote: > > On Sun, 11 Dec 2016, Alexander Goldman wrote: > > > >> https://twitter.com/workergnome/status/807704855276122114 > >> > >> David Newbury writes: > >> > >> Going through old papers my dad gave me, I found his map of the internet as > >> of May 1973. The entire internet. > > > > Of course, that's not the Internet, it is the ARPANET, as the title of > > the graphic says. The Internet did not exist yet. > > A few seconds with Google found one from later in the same year, with a few > small changes. I didn't find one site with *all* of them though. Not even > http://mercury.lcs.mit.edu/~jnc/tech/arpageo.html and > http://mercury.lcs.mit.edu/~jnc/tech/arpalog.html > > (Noel - the second one has faulty links, to /~jnc/tech/jpg/L73Sep.jpg > instead of /~jnc/tech/jpg/ARPANet/L73Sep.jpg etc.) > > How often were the maps issued? Did they all come from BBN? > > Regards > Brian > > _______ > internet-history mailing list > internet-history at postel.org > http://mailman.postel.org/mailman/listinfo/internet-history > Contact list-owner at postel.org for assistance. > > > > -- > New postal address: > Google > 1875 Explorer Street, 10th Floor > Reston, VA 20190 > _______ > internet-history mailing list > internet-history at postel.org > http://mailman.postel.org/mailman/listinfo/internet-history > Contact list-owner at postel.org for assistance. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From casner at acm.org Sun Dec 11 17:29:57 2016 From: casner at acm.org (Stephen Casner) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2016 17:29:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: [ih] Found on Twitter: a map of the Internet from 1973 In-Reply-To: <20161212011027.59D7018C08E@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> References: <20161212011027.59D7018C08E@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: On Sun, 11 Dec 2016, Noel Chiappa wrote: > > Did they all come from BBN? > > All the ARPANet ones, yes, I m pretty sure (except for a few early ones, > maybe). The famous first one was hand drawn by Jon Postel, as I recall. -- Steve From dave.walden.family at gmail.com Sun Dec 11 17:43:32 2016 From: dave.walden.family at gmail.com (dave.walden.family at gmail.com) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2016 20:43:32 -0500 Subject: [ih] Found on Twitter: a map of the Internet from 1973 In-Reply-To: References: <20161212011027.59D7018C08E@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: This seems relevant: https://personalpages.manchester.ac.uk/staff/m.dodge/cybergeography/atlas/historical.html Sent from my iPad On Dec 11, 2016, at 8:29 PM, Stephen Casner wrote: > On Sun, 11 Dec 2016, Noel Chiappa wrote: > >>> Did they all come from BBN? >> >> All the ARPANet ones, yes, I m pretty sure (except for a few early ones, >> maybe). > > The famous first one was hand drawn by Jon Postel, as I recall. > > -- Steve > _______ > internet-history mailing list > internet-history at postel.org > http://mailman.postel.org/mailman/listinfo/internet-history > Contact list-owner at postel.org for assistance. From vint at google.com Sun Dec 11 19:06:43 2016 From: vint at google.com (Vint Cerf) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2016 22:06:43 -0500 Subject: [ih] Found on Twitter: a map of the Internet from 1973 In-Reply-To: References: <20161212011027.59D7018C08E@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: steve crocker, danny cohen, jon postel and I never figured out who drew that one. v On Sun, Dec 11, 2016 at 8:29 PM, Stephen Casner wrote: > On Sun, 11 Dec 2016, Noel Chiappa wrote: > > > > Did they all come from BBN? > > > > All the ARPANet ones, yes, I m pretty sure (except for a few early ones, > > maybe). > > The famous first one was hand drawn by Jon Postel, as I recall. > > -- Steve > _______ > internet-history mailing list > internet-history at postel.org > http://mailman.postel.org/mailman/listinfo/internet-history > Contact list-owner at postel.org for assistance. > -- New postal address: Google 1875 Explorer Street, 10th Floor Reston, VA 20190 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From amckenzie3 at yahoo.com Mon Dec 12 06:24:51 2016 From: amckenzie3 at yahoo.com (Alex McKenzie) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2016 14:24:51 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [ih] Found on Twitter: a map of the Internet from 1973 In-Reply-To: References: <20161212011027.59D7018C08E@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: <804078329.1748214.1481552691356@mail.yahoo.com> The origin of the famous hand-drawn first map is unclear.? Many of us think it was probably drawn by Jon Postel, but Jon had died before the question of its origin became interesting to most people.? When Peter Salus was writing his book "Casting the Net" he wanted to use that map, but his publisher insisted on a signed release from the author.? Peter approached me at some conference and asked if I knew who the author was.? I suggested Jon, and Peter sighed because Jon had already died and therefore it would be impossible to get a release from him.? So I offered to redraw the map from memory on the spot and then sign a release to Peter.? For that reason some versions of the hand-drawn map are attributed to me. Cheers,Alex From: Stephen Casner To: Noel Chiappa Cc: internet-history at postel.org Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2016 8:29 PM Subject: Re: [ih] Found on Twitter: a map of the Internet from 1973 On Sun, 11 Dec 2016, Noel Chiappa wrote: >? ? > Did they all come from BBN? > > All the ARPANet ones, yes, I m pretty sure (except for a few early ones, > maybe). The famous first one was hand drawn by Jon Postel, as I recall. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? -- Steve _______ internet-history mailing list internet-history at postel.org http://mailman.postel.org/mailman/listinfo/internet-history Contact list-owner at postel.org for assistance. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pnr at planet.nl Tue Dec 13 02:20:27 2016 From: pnr at planet.nl (Paul Ruizendaal) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2016 11:20:27 +0100 Subject: [ih] 1982 Unix and TOPS10 tcp/ip source code Message-ID: <94CCCD94-FDC4-4655-A371-6DBF2C1CB64B@planet.nl> Just stumbled across the saildart.com website. The page at http://www.saildart.org/[IP,SYS]/ appears to contain TOPS10 tcp/ip networking code. I think the .C and .H files in that list are the Gurwitz/BBN tcp/ip stack as it stood in october 1982; it appears to be as-is Unix code, unported to TOPS10. It may have been used as a reference, I don't know. The code is somewhat more developed than the january 1982 snapshot in the CSRG archives, supporting the october 1982 file dates. Still looking for Uni of IL "network unix" source code, no luck so far. Paul