From johnnyryan1 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 17 09:49:49 2015
From: johnnyryan1 at gmail.com (Johnny RYAN)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2015 17:49:49 +0000
Subject: [ih] Flaws, corrections, and updates.
Message-ID: <CANn5Zh7wK+rPoWRoOW1p0SSNJyjWf9Ze02SJYCehBNtL+kaE2Q@mail.gmail.com>

Dear colleagues,

This is a request to members of this list who may have read my book,
'A History of the Internet and the Digital Future', to suggest flaws,
serious omissions, or other problems that they have with it.

My publisher has asked me to write an updated edition. If I do write
an update I would like to make sure I get it right.

An example of criticisms the book has received so far: not giving
Louis Pouzin's group adequate coverage. Perhaps people who have read
the book agree?
Dave Crocker's review in the Cisco Journal highlighted an issue with
how it approached CSNet, and picks up on mistakes I made concerning
the Domain Name System, and - as others have done - criticises the
book's rather utopian view of the future (see
http://www.cisco.com/web/about/ac123/ac147/archived_issues/ipj_13-4/134_book.html).

If you have read the book then your insight on what can be improved
would be greatly appreciated.

Johnny


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Praise for 'A History of the Internet and the Digital Future'
"Consider this book your road map" -Marc Benioff (CEO of Salesforce -
Forbes' most innovative company in the world 2013)
"An immensely important book" -Kevin O'Sullivan (Editor of The Irish Times)
"Engrossing" -Cory Doctorow (BoingBoing)
"Enormously useful" -Prof Tim Wu (Columbia Law School)

Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/johnnyryan


From joly at punkcast.com  Sun Nov 22 19:44:45 2015
From: joly at punkcast.com (Joly MacFie)
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2015 22:44:45 -0500
Subject: [ih] Fwd: [Blacks-In-Technology] History of the (Black) Internet
Message-ID: <CAM9VJk1_TZoMkF=6dBAqGVQtUD=0SvW7KtT673gF1+OoiN3WEA@mail.gmail.com>

Feel free to send suggestions directly to Hashim, or post here and I will
forward. Black Internet = contributions to Internet development by people
of African descent.

I have already noted the following IHoF members:

Nii Quaynor
http://www.internethalloffame.org/inductees/nii-quaynor

Dorcas Muthoni
http://www.internethalloffame.org/inductees/dorcas-muthoni


j

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From: Hashim <hashimwarren at gmail.com>
Date: Sun, Nov 22, 2015 at 5:56 AM
Subject: [Blacks-In-Technology] History of the (Black) Internet
To: Blacks-In-Technology-list at meetup.com


If you were to record an oral history of the internet like Brian McCollough
is doing here - http://www.internethistorypodcast.com/

But...you focused on the birth of the
??
Black internet, then which companies, and early makers would you interview?


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hashimwarren.com



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From ocl at gih.com  Mon Nov 23 00:49:13 2015
From: ocl at gih.com (Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2015 09:49:13 +0100
Subject: [ih] Fwd: [Blacks-In-Technology] History of the (Black) Internet
In-Reply-To: <CAM9VJk1_TZoMkF=6dBAqGVQtUD=0SvW7KtT673gF1+OoiN3WEA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAM9VJk1_TZoMkF=6dBAqGVQtUD=0SvW7KtT673gF1+OoiN3WEA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5652D309.4050609@gih.com>

Hey Joly,

Randy Bush would know a lot of people who fit this criteria as the NSRC
worked with a lot of local people in Africa to bring sustainable
Internet to that continent.
If Hashim can do a little homework, he can find the names of all the
pioneers by looking through the NSRC's connectivity historical database.
In particular:
https://nsrc.org/AFRICA
https://nsrc.org/CENTRAM

Warmest regards,

Olivier

On 23/11/2015 04:44, Joly MacFie wrote:
>
> Feel free to send suggestions directly to Hashim, or post here and I
> will forward. Black Internet = contributions to Internet development
> by people of African descent.
>
> I have already noted the following IHoF members:
>
> Nii Quaynor
> http://www.internethalloffame.org/inductees/nii-quaynor
>
> Dorcas Muthoni
> http://www.internethalloffame.org/inductees/dorcas-muthoni
>
>
> j
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: *Hashim* <hashimwarren at gmail.com <mailto:hashimwarren at gmail.com>>
> Date: Sun, Nov 22, 2015 at 5:56 AM
> Subject: [Blacks-In-Technology] History of the (Black) Internet
> To: Blacks-In-Technology-list at meetup.com
> <mailto:Blacks-In-Technology-list at meetup.com>
>
>
> If you were to record an oral history of the internet like Brian
> McCollough is doing here - http://www.internethistorypodcast.com/
>
> But...you focused on the birth of the
> ??
> Black internet, then which companies, and early makers would you
> interview?
>
>
> ---
> Hashim Warren
> hashimwarren.com <http://hashimwarren.com>
>
>
>
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From el at lisse.NA  Mon Nov 23 01:41:14 2015
From: el at lisse.NA (Dr Eberhard W Lisse)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2015 11:41:14 +0200
Subject: [ih] Fwd: [Blacks-In-Technology] History of the (Black) Internet
In-Reply-To: <5652D309.4050609@gih.com>
References: <CAM9VJk1_TZoMkF=6dBAqGVQtUD=0SvW7KtT673gF1+OoiN3WEA@mail.gmail.com>
	<5652D309.4050609@gih.com>
Message-ID: <5652DF3A.1000101@lisse.NA>

With all due respect, and I have very little, there is no such thing
as "Black Internet" and what does skin color have to do with
anything?

Randy Busch has done more for African Internet than anyone.

Mike Lawrie
Fran?ois Jacot-Guillarmod
Henry Watermeyer
Alan Barrett

were, each in a different way, extremely helpful from 1990 onwards
in assisting (Southern) Africa.

Stefano Trumpy
Abraham Grebrehiwot

from the RINAF project.

I rembember also

Shem Ochuodho
Charles Musisi
and the University of Mozambique Computer Center


and of course

Nii Quaynor



But my email archives only goes until 1999 and we started this all
in 1989/90.



el



On 2015-11-23 10:49, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond wrote:
> Hey Joly,
> 
> Randy Bush would know a lot of people who fit this criteria as the NSRC
> worked with a lot of local people in Africa to bring sustainable
> Internet to that continent.
> If Hashim can do a little homework, he can find the names of all the
> pioneers by looking through the NSRC's connectivity historical database.
> In particular:
> https://nsrc.org/AFRICA
> https://nsrc.org/CENTRAM
> 
> Warmest regards,
> 
> Olivier
> 
> On 23/11/2015 04:44, Joly MacFie wrote:
>>
>> Feel free to send suggestions directly to Hashim, or post here and I
>> will forward. Black Internet = contributions to Internet development
>> by people of African descent.
>>
>> I have already noted the following IHoF members:
>>
>> Nii Quaynor
>> http://www.internethalloffame.org/inductees/nii-quaynor
>>
>> Dorcas Muthoni
>> http://www.internethalloffame.org/inductees/dorcas-muthoni
>>
>>
>> j
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: *Hashim* <<mailto:hashimwarren at gmail.com>hashimwarren at gmail.com>
>> Date: Sun, Nov 22, 2015 at 5:56 AM
>> Subject: [Blacks-In-Technology] History of the (Black) Internet
>> To: Blacks-In-Technology-list at meetup.com
>> <mailto:Blacks-In-Technology-list at meetup.com>
>>
>>
>> If you were to record an oral history of the internet like Brian
>> McCollough is doing here
>> - <http://www.internethistorypodcast.com/>http://www.internethistorypodcast.com/
>>
>>
>> But...you focused on the birth of the
>> ??
>> Black internet, then which companies, and early makers would you
>> interview?
>>
>>
>> ---
>> Hashim Warren
>> hashimwarren.com <http://hashimwarren.com>
[...]
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From randy at psg.com  Mon Nov 23 02:07:24 2015
From: randy at psg.com (Randy Bush)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2015 11:07:24 +0100
Subject: [ih] Fwd: [Blacks-In-Technology] History of the (Black) Internet
In-Reply-To: <5652DF3A.1000101@lisse.NA>
References: <CAM9VJk1_TZoMkF=6dBAqGVQtUD=0SvW7KtT673gF1+OoiN3WEA@mail.gmail.com>
	<5652D309.4050609@gih.com> <5652DF3A.1000101@lisse.NA>
Message-ID: <m2ziy5t4f7.wl%randy@psg.com>

https://archive.psg.com/060515.heroines.pdf


From joly at punkcast.com  Sun Nov 29 09:49:32 2015
From: joly at punkcast.com (Joly MacFie)
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2015 12:49:32 -0500
Subject: [ih] John McCrea in Medium
Message-ID: <CAM9VJk1EAFqt24vY9Q0niEGiaZTM2ehCVLJ5vETh_wh+Fhh3hw@mail.gmail.com>

Couple of good yarns about the early days of the Web

https://medium.com/@johnmccrea/the-web-s-very-first-industry-event-535ceb52117d

https://medium.com/@johnmccrea/20-years-ago-the-early-web-product-line-that-almost-wasn-t-47bb35cee909


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From brian.e.carpenter at gmail.com  Sun Nov 29 11:08:08 2015
From: brian.e.carpenter at gmail.com (Brian E Carpenter)
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2015 08:08:08 +1300
Subject: [ih] John McCrea in Medium
In-Reply-To: <CAM9VJk1EAFqt24vY9Q0niEGiaZTM2ehCVLJ5vETh_wh+Fhh3hw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAM9VJk1EAFqt24vY9Q0niEGiaZTM2ehCVLJ5vETh_wh+Fhh3hw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <565B4D18.2010000@gmail.com>

On 30/11/2015 06:49, Joly MacFie wrote:
> Couple of good yarns about the early days of the Web
> 
> https://medium.com/@johnmccrea/the-web-s-very-first-industry-event-535ceb52117d

"Though it had been preceded by a decidedly academic First International WWW Conference (with fewer than 400 participants) some
six months earlier at CERN,..."

http://www94.web.cern.ch/WWW94/

Missed that one. After all, HTTP was only an application and we had the CERN
network to run. I believe we supported some live streaming over the MBONE.

iirc, there was a strict attendance limit for CERN staff because of the size
of CERN's main auditorium. But even if it was "decidedly academic", it did
have commercial support (DEC, Sun, SCO).

   Brian

> https://medium.com/@johnmccrea/20-years-ago-the-early-web-product-line-that-almost-wasn-t-47bb35cee909
> 
> 
> 
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